As to curiousity, LorenC, I honestly do not know if you two are "clockers" or not. I do hope you are paying paid for your efforts, otherwise what justifies your taking up the cause of a fraud and a con.
But you two, and a few others seems to making the same kind of con's claim Obama now makes about ObamaCare -- that the time for arguing is past. That's a con's style: "I've already won, you have to accept the results." It's certainly Obama's style.
The time for arguing the meaning of "Natural Born Citizen" is not past, nor within that argument the claim that the lack of US citizenship of Obama's Dad means that Obama is ineligible to hold the Office of President, US. Yet that seems to be the gist of recent efforts on the part of a cohort of whom you two are major participants.
It is a valid current claim, it was a valid claim in the past during the time Obama was running in the Primary, and in the long past when it was expressed as the need for BOTH parents to be citizens to be eligible for President.
Like Obama asserts in re ObamaCare now you two assert that the time for this discussion is past and has passed. Do I have that right?
I can't speak for Loren, but for myself, no. There never was a time for the discussion of Obama's father's citizenship because it was always commonly understood that the citizenship of the father, provided he isn't a diplomat or invader, is irrelevant in cases where a person is born in the USA. This idea that one needs to have a US citizen father if born in the USA was simply made up by some birthers in November of 2008.
In contrast, the worst aspects Obamacare have yet to take effect. The law was jammed through over and above the objections of the American public. There is still time to repeal it, and hence the time for debate is now!