...the Liberals/Marxists, sold it all to them, for a pittance.
Posted on 01/25/2011 10:11:47 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
China Tuesday denied that its stealth fighter J-20 was developed with stolen US technology, claiming that it was a “masterpiece” of its technological innovation, shortly after an Indian-American was jailed for 32 years by an American court for leaking military secrets to Beijing.
Chinese defence officials and military analysts insisted that the country's J-20 stealth fighter jet, which was test flown this month, is a result of the country's own efforts, state-run Global Times reported.
"It's not the first time foreign media has smeared newly unveiled Chinese military technologies. It's meaningless to respond to such a speculation," an unnamed official of the Chinese Ministry of National told the daily.
(Excerpt) Read more at brahmand.com ...
You no srander Chinese! We not steal; we pay Cloations fair and square...
“China denies stealing...”
Whoooo, that’s a relief. For a minute there, I was sure they stole our technology, but they said they didn’t, and I believe them. After all, the Chinese government has a stellar reputation. Human rights violations? Bogus. Cheating in the Olympics? Lies. Killing innocent chinese citizens? Fabricated. Poison tainted cheap chinese products which kill unsuspecting consumers? Make-believe.
We believe you, China. (((rolling eyes)))
Whew...I was worried they would lie about it. Thank God they are such demonstrable truth tellers.
Of course China isn’t going to own up to stealing!
They’re a people who’ve lost what it means to be honorable.
The Chinese leader attends a State dinner in China’s honor and one of their own people is rude and vulgar enough to play a musical piece which insults the host nation. How shameful!
They steal the U.S.A.’s ideas and attack our military in international airspace, all the while strutting arrogantly.
The PRC is not mature enough as a nation to take its place among the world’s leaders who’ve been doing this for quite some time. They behave like crude, raw adolescents.
Their overweening pride will result in great pain for someone, most likely themselves.
The Chicoms simply steal...that’s it. Of course, they are lucky to have a friend in Bill Clinton who just gave up our tech to them.
I agree
You can bet the supporters of Free Trade with Communist China agree with the ChiComs when they claim they did not steal American technology.
Of course, it will be in the guise of “lower prices”
I believe them. Don’t you?/s
I thought Clinton got good money for the plans. The Chi-Coms call their new plane “Slick Willie” in his honor.
They don't care if outsiders display outraged at their blinding mendacity and they murder any insiders who do.
Obama’s plan for America too.
With today’s computer systems, stealth is easy to create. I have no doubt they have Chinese citizens working at US engineering facilities, but let’s not make too much of this stealth thing. It is far easier to create than people know, and, frankly, we used a Russian book to start our own stealth program years ago.
It is the F-117's shape that gives it its stealth properties, commonly referred to as "phase cancellations". That's when the trough and the crest of a wave cancel each other out. And with the odd shape, it is very unstable. In order to stabilize it, computers were implement to constantly adjust the flaps as a human pilot cannot make the hundreds if not thousands of adjustments per minute to keep the plane stable. After a crash, I doubt the software can be extracted from the wreckage. Especially when so many people collected the pieces.
I don't know what the new jets use, I haven't looked into it or its not been made public the way the F-117 properites have. There maybe something underneath the exterior skin that uses the "phase cancellation" by generating a phase that is 180 degrees out of phase, I dunno. But obviously, an F-22 looks more like a normal airplane than the F-117. So, it appears to me, there is something beyond just the shape of the airplane for phase cancellation.
China is going to deny copying, of course. But whatever they did copy from the F-117, likely gave them a starting point and not much more. The J-20 doesn't incorporate the shape of the F-117 and likley have developed a way to generate wave cancellation apart from the F-117's shape.
Sorry, but if any of you guys have any brains, you would understand that the F-117 is an animal of the Jurassic period. Oh, you know... Wilma and Fred Flintstone???
The Chinese, I would suspect would not want something that’s that old, useless, and worthless. I mean how super is the F-117, stealth wise, if it can be downed by crude 80’s and 90’s Serbian technology? The technology behind the F-117 is not at all that hot if you ask me.
Now, logically, copying F-117 technology and applying it to a 21st century operating system is like putting an anti-virus program of the 70’s and incorporating it to the latest of Apple or iPad product with the intention of introducing it as state of the arts. Now that’s not very smart and that just don’t make very good business sense if you ask me.
Further, I’m inclined to speculate that even the technologies which makes the F-22 F-35 tick too may be out of date and not what the Chinese would want for their top of the line system. I mean why would they want o incorporate a technology that doesn’t offer them any advantages anymore? Get what I’m saying here?
I mean just think about it: Ever since the downing of the F-117, ever since the Serbia Embassy thingy, something popped in the Chinese: From there, they know that American stealth technology posts a grave breach to China’s national security. I would thus suspect that their first priority of the day is to come up with method of defeating it — “NOT COPY IT”!
Twenty years have passed since then. In these 20 years, I would suspect that the Chinese would have had ample time to fiddle with and to come up with a means of defeating not only stealth as in the F-117, but likely also stealth technology that’s behind the F-22/35 & the B-2. I also suspect that the China has not only perfected the science of defeating American stealth technology but that they are very efficient at it.
And, if the Chinese have the mastery’s to cracked the code on how American stealth technology works and the means to defeat it, wouldn’t it be fool hearted of the Chinese if they invest in a system or technology that the Americans, too, are guaranteed to be able to defeat?
Based on the arguments, I would then have to assume that the technology behind the J-XX have to be uniquely and distinctly Chinese otherwise it would defeat the very purpose of why they would dive into their J-XX program.
The Chinese are not as stupid as you guys thinks of them. In fact, they are not stupid at all. I mean as a coming fromthe behind sprinter to the game, if they have the smarts to put America’s economy in a strangulation hold of death, then you can bet your bunny on it that their J-XX is not going to be based on F-22 F-35 technology but a technology which, “though are not superior to,” but definitely unique and distinct from American, or Russian systems.
Technology, it’s not exclusive to the United States or to any other country for that matter.
Ultimately, technology like human beings, have this migratory characteristics. It have a personality all its own, And, just as how technology have breached borders, mountains and the oceans divides in history’s long past, technology will continue to cross borders indefinitely into the future.
Who knows, technology traveled from East to West during the bronze period; it sneaked its way from Germany [and Japan] to the Americas soon after the end of WWII. Technology, technically speaking, are the brainchild of collective racial groups from the world over (contributions of immigrants and/or the children of immigrants) who were employed by the companies which developed all of these systems...
Don’t forget, the developer of Netscape was an Arab and not an Anglo and/or any other American group. And, politics aside, the Internet which you so enjoy today was made possible by this guy http://www.ask.com/wiki/Charles_K._Kao , a Chinese person.
Yes, technology, in its own funny little ways, have a tendency of crossing borders and crossing the species divide so don’t thumb that nose of yours and assume that the white boys are what’s behind all of America’s technologies because, American technology are the byproducts of pooled smarts of people from every corner of the globe.
Therefore, you don’t have to thank Bill Clinton on behalf of the Chicoms because Bill Clinton didn’t do it for the Chinese. It was technology itself which did it for the Chinese because, technology is like a person, it have a character all its own. If it wanted to cross borders and the species divide, no Chinese or American endeavors can stop it because technology have a life all its own.
I agree with everything you wrote.
Good Morning, Earnest,
I suspect this message of yours is in response to one of my posts. But regardless, here goes anyway: let it be known “that what I am attempting here is to get people “to think with their heads” (if their heads can still be seen by the naked eye that is because it’s bury itself so deeply under the sand they can’t see how the world really revolves anymore) instead of “thinking through their sorry and hurt little brother just a ways down their waistline”. This message applies to one and all regardless if the audience is “people’s that have a nose as big as Pinocchio’s” or if they are but just naive, simple, and easily manipulable folks.
U.S. Doubts ’99 Jet Debris Gave China Stealth Edge
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/world/asia/26stealth.html?_r=1&ref=world
China got stealth tech from Russia: US lawmaker
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/China_got_stealth_tech_from_Russia_US_lawmaker_999.html
Who next will stake claim to the J-XX credit, I wonder? Israel? Japan? South Korea already charged that the J-XX was their idea. How's about Taipei? They're rambling about a stealth program, too? Don't forget, the Chinese could have stolen the technology from the Iranians http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=162674 or was it the other way around? The Indians too have a stake at this. They still haven’t jumped on the bandwagon yet. They too could stake claims to it because it's so... so... MCA’ish. Who should we assign the credit for the J-XX???? Definitely not them slant eyed ChiComs. I mean if they get the credit due, they'd make us, our society, look like fools!!! So, what thinks you, people? Who should we assign credit for the J-XX?
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