[chimera]

Quite a few “western” countries have socialist tendencies yet seem to have productive, peaceful societies (Sweden and New Zealand come to mind). Just as a wild guess, I'll postulate that maybe, just maybe, it's the people that make the difference in those cases.

[Niuhuru]

They don’t have the level of freeloaders on welfare that we do. If we had less and what not, we would be peaceful and productive as well.