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China's new stealth fighter may use US technology
Associated Press ^
| 01/23/2011
| SLOBODAN LEKIC & DUSAN STOJANOVIC
Posted on 01/23/2011 5:02:45 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Clinton failed to bomb the wreckage. A gift to his socialist handlers.
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posted on
01/23/2011 5:04:47 AM PST
by
omega4179
(Loughner--influenced by left wing hate media!)
To: sukhoi-30mki
They probably have such advanced access to our ‘secrets’ that they don’t need to study plane wreckage.
To: sukhoi-30mki
I was going to ping you on this, but you beat my post by one minute.
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posted on
01/23/2011 5:05:38 AM PST
by
edpc
(It's Kräusened)
To: pieceofthepuzzle
They had a senior engineer on the B2 program.
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posted on
01/23/2011 5:12:05 AM PST
by
driftdiver
(I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
To: pieceofthepuzzle
um I dont believe so. I think I remember we “Accidentally” bombed the chinese embassy in serbia about a week or so later. Rumor was they had this stealth fighter stored there and we took care of it then.
To: omega4179
Clinton failed to bomb the wreckage. A gift to his socialist handlers. That bears repeating. I remember it distinctly. Disgusting, along with his gift of space technology through Loral to the Chinese.
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posted on
01/23/2011 5:16:01 AM PST
by
JohnG45
To: Walkingfeather
Possibly. The F-117 was shot down in March of 1999. The embassy was hit in May.
Hard to imagine Clinton giving that order, though.
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posted on
01/23/2011 5:21:59 AM PST
by
edpc
(It's Kräusened)
To: driftdiver
The new “Slick Willy” fighter was sold for campaign bucks back in the 90’s. Democrats trying to level the battlefield.
To: omega4179
The F-117 is also where the Russians got the stealth technology for the SU-50 Firefox fighter.
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posted on
01/23/2011 5:26:08 AM PST
by
Thunder90
(Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
To: driftdiver
To: edpc
I dont think he gave that order. I wasnt there though.
To: omega4179
Clinton failed to bomb the wreckage. A gift to his socialist handlers.
Probably not that much of a gift. The F-117 was very early Stealth technology, based on heavy use of faceting and 1970s/80s-era RAM (radar absorbent material). The "J-20" looks nothing like the F-117 (it looks almost exactly like the CALF demonstrator, see above), and if it uses reverse-engineered RAM technology the US is already at least 2-3 generations beyond that.
IIRC the most "complete" section of the shot-down F-117 was the canopy, which contained RAM-impregnated (gold-based) transparencies to limit the return from the pilot's head/helmet. But again, the F-117 canopy was designed with highly faceted-stealth, NOT what the US is currently using or what can be observed in the "J-20".
My conclusion would be that there was very limited tech transfer from the lost F-117. The tech that WAS transferred is now obsolete, and the US KNOWS how to counter it. The "J-20" may contain some of that tech (specifically the 70s/80s-era RAM, but not the heavy faceting) and this may explain the apparent fact that some F-117s are still flying out of Tonopah in a "Red Force" (oppositional training) capacity.
To: omega4179
I criticized them at the time, on this forum, for not bombing the wreckage. It does sound like the wreckage was strewn over too wide an area to have made that practical.
During World War II, the U.S. had anti personnel artillery shells with radar fuses, that would blow up a precise altitude over the heads of exposed infantry. They were not used because of fears that if they fell into German hands they would be reversed engineered and turned against us. (The Panzerfaust was a reverse-engineered -and much improved- bazooka.) During the Battle of the Bulge, they were released for use, with devastating effect on the unprepared Germans. Some German infantry units mutinied, refusing to attack after they had witnessed the effect.
That's the lesson of the Balkan War. We lost a key technological advantage in a conflict with absolutely no strategic value to the United States.
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posted on
01/23/2011 5:48:10 AM PST
by
Lonesome in Massachussets
(Socialists are to economics what circle squarers are to math; undaunted by reason or derision.)
To: All
You can just imagine the bed-wetter Free Trade Commies now....”See, China is using American stuff...”
I guess with all the American wealth redistributed to Communist China via Free Trade....the Communist Chinese were eventually going to use some American parts for their military...
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posted on
01/23/2011 6:04:58 AM PST
by
UCFRoadWarrior
(NAFTA, WTO, UN, IMF, USAID, World Bank, are all Statist organizations)
To: tanknetter
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posted on
01/23/2011 6:07:49 AM PST
by
A.A. Cunningham
(Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
To: tanknetter
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posted on
01/23/2011 6:08:21 AM PST
by
mvpel
(Michael Pelletier)
do I really have to say it???
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posted on
01/23/2011 6:13:32 AM PST
by
Chode
(American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
To: UCFRoadWarrior
With General Electric's help, it won't be long before they are flying the J-20 with GE engines.
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posted on
01/23/2011 6:18:03 AM PST
by
Colorado Doug
(Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
...the Chinese gleaned some of their technological know-how from an American F-117 Nighthawk that was shot down over Serbia in 1999...
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posted on
01/23/2011 6:32:59 AM PST
by
SunkenCiv
(The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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