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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Why not use some of the coal in all that federal land out west.. don’t tar sands eventually turn into shale or .. have to do a little research,, lots of stuff in the ground right here on our continent

Coal ain’t pretty but it can yield a burnable fluid fuel.. shale seems more yucky to me in the processing.. and only 250 years.. ? another 10 generations of fossil fuelers.. I don’t know.. Heck, nascar will be running on electric in 10 years at the rate things are going..

meanwhile the atom is ready to get the job done,, but we haven’t built a nuke power plant in ages here..


6 posted on 01/21/2011 11:11:58 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge; SierraWasp
From the comments...just found a new (to me ) website:

Welcome to the Environmentalism is Fascism website.

The waspman might like this website.

7 posted on 01/21/2011 11:14:53 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NormsRevenge
Some History:

Waldheim's Monster: United Nations' Ecofascist Programme

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By William Walter Kay

Intro

Three score and seven years ago the United Nations was founded primarily to advance the interests of English-speaking countries. Now the UN is primarily interested in conducting economic warfare on those countries. The tipping point in UN history roughly corresponds with Kurt Waldheim’s tenure as Secretary-General (1972-81). This essay draws upon: the recent reportage on the UN’s Global Ministerial Environmental Forum; the recently leaked Management Review of Environmental Governance within the United Nations System; the Encyclopedia of the United Nations and International Agreements; the websites of UN agencies, and other troves to sketch a portrait of the UN’s environmental programs.

 

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Environmentalism in the UN before Waldheim
Waldheim before he became UN Secretary General
Oberleutnant as Secretary-General 1972-1981
Waldheim and the European-centered UN
Environmentalism in the UN; Waldheim-era and Beyond
The 1986 Austrian Presidential Election
The UN System's Environmental Programs
The UN System and Multi-Lateral Environmental Agreements
United Nations Environment Programme
The 2008 Joint Inspection Unit Report
The 2009 Global Ministerial Environmental Forum
Fin de Siècle
Conclusion

Environmentalism in the UN before Waldheim

The UN was a New Year’s baby, 1942. With the “Declaration by the United Nations”, 26 countries allied to fight fascism. After WWII the Allies convened in San Francisco in April 1945 and formally re-launched the UN six months later. While the UN’s main aim was peace, its Charter also directed it to “employ international machinery for the promotion of economic and social advancement.” The Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) was established to coordinate this activity. In 1947 ECOSOC founded the Economic Commission for Europe to aid European countries devastated by WWII. As British, French and Portuguese empires dissolved, scores of countries emerged with inadequate infrastructure. ECOSOC established regional economic commissions to aid these states. ECOSOC’s development budget was small and proposals to increase it were resisted by the USSR, which argued such activity was not the UN’s job. Until the 1960s ECOSOC mostly held conferences and conducted research. ECOSOC’s foray into aid was fraught with disagreements and morphed into a loose network of programs funded by ad hoc voluntary contributions. (1) “Development” had a conventional bricks-and-bridges meaning; “aid” often meant helping poor countries exploit their resources.

10 posted on 01/21/2011 11:20:45 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Coal ain’t pretty but it can yield a burnable fluid fuel.. shale seems more yucky to me in the processing.. and only 250 years.. ? another 10 generations of fossil fuelers.. I don’t know.. Heck, nascar will be running on electric in 10 years at the rate things are going.."

This is shale NATURAL GAS, not oil from shale. Two very different beasts. Coal simply can't compete with nat. gas, which is cleaner burning, easier to transport, is significantly more efficient when used to generate electricity, and can be used in current and past automobiles with only minor modifications.

18 posted on 01/21/2011 1:13:36 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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