Posted on 01/14/2011 5:08:26 AM PST by marktwain
TTAG loved it some Kel-Tech Sub-2000. Capt. John Raguso reckoned it was a far better choice for home defense than a shotgun: less recoil, more bullets, wieldy as a pen knife, foldable for bug-out duty, accurate, cheap, lovely! Throw in some frangible ammo to eliminate that pesky over-penetration problem and Bob’s your uncle. I’m getting one in 9mm, which may force me to switch from a Springfield XD-M to a Glock 19 (yes one of those), ’cause the Sub-2000 takes Glock mags. Anyway, the Sub-2000′s a hit. Not a runaway success, but a solid hit. But this, THIS is monster . . .
14+1 rounds from a compact shotgun? As our KSG post viewing stats and Oleg Volk’s fascination [below] prove, the buzz is building for this ballistic bad boy. We’ll make a beeline for it at SHOT. [Click here and here for more KSG gun porn]
Price?
Looks to be a lot cheaper than the Saiga
Double check your math... ;-)
Good to know. And possibly one argument in favor of the pump over semi-auto.
"Also, are not standard 20-gauge shells the same length (2-3/4", minimum) as 12-gauge? The Aguila minis might add one shot to the tube, but in general, 12s and 20s load the same."
Agreed, but my point with the 20 gauge is lower recoil and better control of the short weapon, not number of rounds available. It's fairly obvious from the video that recoil is pretty stiff.
Also good to know, but I am not convinced that 00 buck is the best load for home defense. Once upon a time many years ago, I read an article about a "great white hunter" type who led big-game safaris, and had to act as "stopper shooter" in case the client failed a kill. He said that jaguars were the most dangerous game, and he chose No.1 buck, as the greater number of wound channels gave more blood-loss and quicker kill/stop.
That logic made sense to me.
“The Aguila minis might add one shot to the tube”
They do better than that. I can get 6 minis in my 4 shot Mossy 500 tube.
I think it all depends on range.
At 15 feet, bird shot is as good as buck.
As range increases, the larger buck shot will retain more energy. There is probably a middle range where No. 1 is better than 00.
It sounds like a fun day at the range figuring out which is better at what range.
I fear this will go the way of the street sweeper. As for a spreader tube, the ATF banned, as a DD, the Magazine fed (I forget the name), of several years ago because the muzzle was too large. I want one, but You know Chill Penury.
The difference between 00 and #1 is what, 8 balls compared to 10? I don’t know it makes that much difference; individual preference I suppose. The low recoil allows faster recovery for followup shots.
Interesting story about using buckshot as a dangerous game stopper. Bleed out is a slow way to kill a charging animal. I would think the fastest stop would be brain, spinal cord or shoulder/heart shot. Teddy Roosevelt killed a jaguar with a .30-06.
Yes. That was an American Big Game guide and hunter, Peter Hathaway Capstick. He recommended No.4 buck as the best load to stop a wounded jaguar in mid-air who was leaping for your throat. He had to do it a number of times and it never failed.
Peter Hathaway Capstick. His books are some of the absolute best in print if you love true adventure and his story telling is unsurpassed.
The sites I found had the Saiga for 900-1200.
Probably a manual selector, possibly augmented by some sort of spring-loaded feeler on one tube that forces selection to the other when empty.
I like my Mossberg, too!
Hard to beat just al old Remington or Ithaca with a short barrel, though. Flashlight grip optional.
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