Posted on 01/12/2011 5:03:17 AM PST by spetznaz
With first flight out of the way, the discussion about Chinas new J-20 stealth prototype is switching to the aircrafts mission (fighter or, more likely, long-range strike), sensors (strike missions would require a high-resolution long-range radar) and communications (which would demand high-speed datalinks and sophisticated integration).
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The Chengdu J-20 design has struck most analysts and observers as familiar and somewhat different that the Lockheed-Martin F-22 and F-35 as well as the Sukhoi T-50.
The J-20 is reminiscent of the Russian MiG 1.42 both in terms of planform, and also with regard to the rear fuselage configuration, says Douglas Barrie, senior fellow for military aerospace at Londons International Institute for Strategic Studies. The most obvious difference is the greater forward fuselage shaping as the basis for low observable characteristics, along with the different engine intake configuration. The MiG program was cancelled by the Russian government around 1997.
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Another issue that will continue to surround all stealth designs is how long will current stealth designs offer invulnerability as air defenses adopt even larger and more powerful AESA radars. From the early days of AESA development, a key goal was to build a radar that can detect a very small object like a cruise missile at a distance great enough to target and shoot it down or a larger object like a fighter with a very low observable treatment.
Airborne detection of stealth aircraft may have already been accomplished in a series of tests done at Edwards AFB, Calif. in the second half of 2009. Those with insight into the research say Lockheed Martins CATbird avionics testbed a 737 that carries the F-35 joint strike fighters entire avionics system -- engaged a mixed force of F-22s and F-15s and was able to target the F-22s.
"The F-35 mission systems suite is the most sophisticated and powerful avionics package of any fighter in the world," said Dan Crowley, Lockheed Martin executive vice president and F-35 program general manager at the time of the tests.
His clue about the fighters anti-stealth capability is in a reference to confronting new, sophisticated, foreign aircraft.
The F-35's avionics include on-board sensors that will enable pilots to strike fixed or moving ground targets in high-threat environments, day or night, in any weather, while simultaneously targeting and eliminating advanced airborne threats, Crowley said.
No doubt J-20 is a very good news to Sukhoi since its appearance further insures proper funding of the PAK-FA/FGFA joint 5gen program by both Russian and Indian governments.
The same can be said about the F-22 Raptor. The J-20 is the best news that could come out when it comes to development funding for the Raptor (e.g. side arrays that were originally designed but not yet funded, updates from the F-35 sensor suite, etc), as well as the possibility for additional Raptors (maybe the next administration, but even in this one it does appear that Gates was somewhat shaken). Thus this may very well be good news.
The tests of the jumbo jet with F-35 avionics being able to detect Raptors is quite interesting, particularly for LO platforms that offer even greater RCS signatures than the Raptor (which is basically every manned platform out there).
Another thing not mentioned his how our fighters will achieve part of their stealthiness.
One method is a support 747 control aircraft producing radar signals received by our planes in a passive mode.
Do the Chinese have that infrastructure?
And once the Chinese steal the design of the Raptor-detecting avionics, the Raptor becomes just another fighter. A very expensive one.
If the Raptor can be observed and engaged at missile range, then the winner will be whoever brings the most aircraft to the fight.
How about a swarm of expendable UAVs with radar emitters in the same role, sent in front of our fighters?
Forgive the rookie question, but does “LO” stand for?
By the way, almost all of us are rookies here. There are a couple of FReepers who have real operational knowledge (like one chap who was an actual Raptor pilot in another military forum and got himself in a spot of trouble when he, allegedly, said too much), but the vast majority of FReepers (such as myselfs) are simply rookies with an interest in aerospace. Thus no rookie questions. What I have posted above is my best understanding of LO/VLO put in a straight forward manner. There is supposed to be something called XLO (Extremely Low Observable), but that will be for future unmanned systems.
Anyways, that is stealth for you. Extremely helpful. While it is not invincible nor invisible, and it still requires a good level of support, it provides that crucial edge necessary to make the other chap die for his country.
I hope that helps.
Thanks for that post.
excellent idea.
Only problem is Obama will want pilots in the union, and the uav’s will eliminate union jobs, so it won’t happen.
Oh, I wouldn't call the 737-based CATBird a jumbo jet. However, the F-22 has an even larger and more powerful AESA radar than the F-35, thanks to the F-22's larger nose housing a larger antenna array. It should be able to detect a J-20 fairly easily. However, it is our existing AWACS aircraft I worry about.
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