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To: heiss

“I think the easiest and best option is to pass a law denying illegal immigrant ever getting green card or citizenship, in any circumstance. In other words, if you ever entered the country illegally, you can’t get green card or citizenship, e.g. via (fake) marriage or anchorbaby sponsoring you.
This would make illegal immigration less desirable and it would apply immediately.”

I agree with you insofar as such a law should be passed — that is to say, those who enter illegally must forever be denied American citizenship.

But although it’s a good suggestion (and an idea I myself have embraced for some time), it WILL NOT solve “the illegal immigration problem” by itself unless the CHILDREN of illegals can be denied citizenship as well.

We must realize that it really makes little difference if 20 million illegals become citizens or remain illegal for the rest of their lives. The reason is that illegals will “auto-legalize” within 20 years — not “of themselves”, but through their progeny.

And this legacy will produce an ever-increasing cohort of “ersatz citizens” who may be “Americans by birth” but who have no real connection to the traditional America of Euro heritage.

It will change the “cultural color of America” regardless of whether or not their parents ever attain citizenship. Illegal or not, citizens or not, it really isn’t going to make any difference. The offspring will still be here.

Some interesting statistics from California:
There are now nearly twice as many Hispanics as whites in California public schools: 3.1 million [Hispanic] vs. 1.7 million [white]. And there are more Asians (527,000) than there are blacks (425,000) (info from article in the San Francisco Chronicle of 11/13/10.)

What do these numbers portend for the future?


18 posted on 01/11/2011 9:32:44 PM PST by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: Grumplestiltskin

“What do these numbers portend for the future?”

That depends on whether they want to build a better America,
or turn California into their country of origin.


19 posted on 01/12/2011 1:13:37 AM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Grumplestiltskin

>>We must realize that it really makes little difference if 20 million illegals become citizens or remain illegal for the rest of their lives. The reason is that illegals will “auto-legalize” within 20 years — not “of themselves”, but through their progeny.

And this legacy will produce an ever-increasing cohort of “ersatz citizens” who may be “Americans by birth” but who have no real connection to the traditional America of Euro heritage.<<


Sorry, Grump, but I disagree. If both parents are illegal aliens and have a child born in the US, the child has the citizenship of the father. ...(Consider Obama with a father with British citizenship, even though Jr. may have been born in the US)

The “Americans by birth” mantra hasn’t been viable since the last child born to former slaves.

This clarification of the 14th Amendment needs to be handled very soon by the SCOTUS. If another liberal progressive Justice is permitted to be appointed under the Dems, there will be no way to stem the flow of illegals and reduce the costs to US taxpayers.


20 posted on 01/12/2011 3:48:54 AM PST by octex
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