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To: Springfield Reformer
So it really doesn't bother you that Apple thinks Christian morality is harmful?

The statement "Apple thinks Christian morality is harmful" is false. Apple has lot's of Christian apps. If Apple thought Christian morality was harmful, there would be no Christian apps in the App Store.

You can't make a general statement from one app that was rejected. That is a logical fallacy--a hasty generalization.

And what are their "ethical and moral considerations," as you call them? What harm are they supposedly preventing? Is a "moral system" obsessed with a delusional fear of traditional, rational sexual mores really logical?

For one thing, Apple does not allow pornographic apps in their store. In addition they do not allow apps that they believe would incite violence against people. You can disagree with their judgment of this one app. Do you disagree with their moral and ethical standards that pornography should not be allowed? Do you disagree with their moral and ethical standards that apps that incite violence against people should not be allowed?<.p>

Let me be clear. I am not asking if you think they made a error in classifying this one app as violating their moral and ethical standards. I am asking if you disagree with their moral and ethical standards that pornography should not be allowed, and apps that advocate violence against groups of people should not be allowed.

As for "regime," you misunderstand me. I never said Apple was a regime. I am referring to the broader leftist movement currently attempting to smother American freedom.

Apple is not a political movement. It's a computer company. So it makes no sense to confuse a computer company with a leftist movement.

Apple isn't the regime; it's just one of the cronies. Cronyism is not so much friendship as a kind of calculated collusion aimed at coercing the peasants to mind their place and do what they're told.

That most definitely is not what cronyism is about. Cronyism is showing favoritism to old friends without regard to their qualifications. Apples most definitely does not practice cronyism. They hire people based on their qualifications to do the job well. That is why Apple is doing so well at selling computer and mobile devices.

Not the sort of thing I would have thought a person with your moniker would approve of. Who knew?

You are attributing qualities to me that I have never espoused. That is also a logical fallacy--the straw man fallacy. You are inaccurate.

67 posted on 01/06/2011 4:44:02 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776
The statement "Apple thinks Christian morality is harmful" is false.

Just quoting Apple. It's their generalization, not mine. If that's not good enough for you, nothing else I can say would persuade you.

Do you disagree with their moral and ethical standards that pornography should not be allowed?

The problem here is natural law. If you can equate the propagation of a serious moral harm like pornography with the life and health affirming values of Christian morality, we are farther apart than I first imagined. God has written on the human heart a natural understanding of the basics of good and evil. Therefore there are things that should be rejected from the public square because they do have a well-known harmful effect. Pornography is not victimless. The great many of the bodies on screen are drawn into the system through various degrees of drug usage, intimidation, and other forms of coercion. Experience acquired in the course of my legal work confirms this. Remove the criminal element, and the supply of pornographic materials would become so small that Apple would not have any interest in the market.

So, just to be sure, you are equating a substantially criminal enterprise with Christian moral belief, in the sense that Apple should treat them the same. Did I get that right? Apple has a societal obligation to take a stand on moral issues, but the obligation only extends to those things that are objectively immoral, as the promotion of sexual immorality inherently is, and as the promotion of Christian sexual mores is inherently not. You have equated opposites, and it will not wash.

apps that advocate violence against groups of people

I deal regularly with corporate leadership personnel. They are too smart to be making the innocent mistake you are suggesting. Anyone reading the Manhattan Declaration would know the argument is not for violence but for freedom of conscience in the spirit of civil disobedience that gave us the reforms of the Civil Rights movement. If Apple's leadership is really that stupid, why are they so successful? They are not stupid. The only alternative interpretation is that they are willfully drawing unwarranted inferences from the text to support a visceral animus against Christian moral belief. However, because they know they cannot deny Christian apps without creating a general uproar, they have selected the Manhattan app for exclusion because it so sharply makes the point that Christian in America, right here, right now, are being asked to not surrender to the frenzy to reject Christian morality. Apple leadership knows exactly what they're doing. Nice try.

Apple is not a political movement

True, sort of. Some do view the emergence of the technocracy as a category of political movement. However, again you've misunderstood me. I never said Apple was a movement of any kind. Apple does, however, apparently espouse the standard liberal moral worldview, and is therefore a part of the larger leftist movement that is affecting so many of our public and private institutions. Please don't make that more complicated than it is.

That most definitely is not what cronyism is about

Now hold on just a minute FRiend, in your first post you said cronyism was just friendship. You were reacting to me, remember? Trying to tell me that because cronyism is just friendship, its no big deal? Why then are you now switching directions on me? If you had used the definition you just played, you probably wouldn't have even got a rise out of me. So now I'm telling you you're wrong, that its not just about "being friends," and that it does matter, and you turn around and dispute with my second statement while agreeing with my first? Yikes you are hard to follow.

As for what cronyism actually means, I like your new definition a lot better, but in politics that word has come to mean much more than just hiring unqualified friends, because one of the key side effect of that is to exclude and demean outsiders to the "crony club," the "peasants," and it is very much about control. Here in Illinois, we've got a special lab for cronyism called Chicago Politics, where your definition and mine are both in play.

Anyway, the yard monitor is calling me in from recess and I have to get some things done for which I might actually get paid. It's been a treat talking with you. :)

Peace,

SR

PS: Sorry about the straw man. Hard to avoid with all those flip-flopping definitions. Sincerely, no harm meant.

99 posted on 01/07/2011 9:51:55 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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