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Reliving — and denying — an ugly past
Boston Globe | January 5, 2011 | Jeff Jacoby

Posted on 01/05/2011 2:05:12 PM PST by Sherman Logan

Edited on 01/05/2011 2:07:00 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

ON JAN. 16, 1861, delegates to a Georgia state convention gathered to consider whether to secede from the United States. Three days later, voting 208-89, the convention adopted an


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: missinglink; thesouthwasright

1 posted on 01/05/2011 2:05:16 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
IBTZ
(in before the zombies!)

2 posted on 01/05/2011 2:25:53 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: Sherman Logan

Is the Boston Globe referring to Edward Kennedy?


3 posted on 01/05/2011 2:25:56 PM PST by MBB1984
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To: Repeal The 17th

Yea, that raises the level of discourse.


4 posted on 01/05/2011 3:19:23 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
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To: Sherman Logan

I am as as strong a supporter of States Rights as anybody here. I am also a strong believer that the Confederate states had every right to secede. However, I am somewhat troubled by Article 10 of the US Constitution:

“No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or COMFEDERATION(emphasis mine); grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.”

Article 10 SEEMS to negate a state’s right to rescind its ratification of the US Constitution. Yet, it allows states to accept ONLY gold and silver in payment of debts. And if these powers are denied to the states; who has the power? All in all, Article 10 is most confusing.


5 posted on 01/06/2011 3:07:19 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: NTHockey
No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or COMFEDERATION

Once a State had given its Declaration of Intent to leave it was no longer a part of the Union, and thus no longer bound by the terms of the Compact.

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And if these powers are denied to the states; who has the power?

The power to grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, coin Money and emit Bills of Credit are given to the federal government in Article I, Section 8 clauses 11, 5, and 2, respectively.

Bills of Attainder, ex post facto Laws, or Laws impairing the Obligation of Contracts, and granting any Title of Nobility are denied to any State... which includes the federal government -

Bills of attainder, ex post facto laws, and laws impairing the obligation of contracts, are contrary to the first principles of the social compact
Federalist, #44, James Madison

6 posted on 01/06/2011 6:25:30 AM PST by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: NTHockey

The usual neo-Confederate response is that the states seceded, rejecting the Constitution, before they formed the Confederacy. So there was, by this line of thought, no violation of Article 10.

If you accept that secession was valid, then this line of reasoning is also valid. If not, it’s not.


7 posted on 01/06/2011 6:40:26 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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