You are spot on. While I don’t much like Graham, he is talking the truth here. It is the middle class entitlements that drain the coffers of the government, and get people dependent on federal ‘aid’. That was the most devious thing about the New Deal. Even Roosevelt knew that welfare was unpopular. When he changed the game and got the middle class dependent on government, he set the stage of this nation going bankrupt.
If you want Social Security to be gone (any rational person should since it is a moronic ponzi scheme), you first need to remove the ties it has to the non poor recipients. Once you ween them off the system, you will finally have enough of a voting coalition to kill it.
As for those who say they deserve it because they paid in, well I’m sorry, but like all other ponzi schemes someone gets left holding the bag. Unless you want the entire economy taken down, which is what we get if we keep waiting to face this unpleasant truth, we have to get on the road to controlling the entitlements and that means Social Security and Medicare.
People deserve from social security what they put into it regardless of how rich they have become. To describe that minimum return of what is actually yours as "federal aid" is wrong.
As for those who say they deserve it because they paid in, well I’m sorry, but like all other ponzi schemes someone gets left holding the bag.
All ponzi schemes aren't forced government ponzi schemes. Again, people deserve the same value out of social security as they put into it. Anything else is just theft and that's what you advocate.
Unless you want the entire economy taken down, which is what we get if we keep waiting to face this unpleasant truth, we have to get on the road to controlling the entitlements and that means Social Security and Medicare.
No, I want them to go into your personal bank account to prevent our economy from being taken down.
“You are spot on. While I don’t much like Graham, he is talking the truth here. It is the middle class entitlements that drain the coffers of the government, and get people dependent on federal ‘aid’. That was the most devious thing about the New Deal. Even Roosevelt knew that welfare was unpopular. When he changed the game and got the middle class dependent on government, he set the stage of this nation going bankrupt.
If you want Social Security to be gone (any rational person should since it is a moronic ponzi scheme), you first need to remove the ties it has to the non poor recipients. Once you ween them off the system, you will finally have enough of a voting coalition to kill it.
As for those who say they deserve it because they paid in, well I’m sorry, but like all other ponzi schemes someone gets left holding the bag. Unless you want the entire economy taken down, which is what we get if we keep waiting to face this unpleasant truth, we have to get on the road to controlling the entitlements and that means Social Security and Medicare.”
OK drbuzz, for all of you that want SS to go away why don’t you put your money where your mouth is an write too the government that you will NOT accept any Social Security benefits from now or into the future.
I paid into this frick’n system for the last 33 years with about 30 of those years at the max limit. I’ll be damned if I am going to set back and just let the government “keep my money”. It was and IS MY money.
All the people including Rushbo pisses me off with these statements. Only people that have sizeable nest-egg already built up can make these comments. Even my financial planner INCLUDES S.S. in what my retirement may look like.
This will be the one where the pitchforks will brought out in this country. There are sooo many bums on S.S., welfare etc. that we who have been honest are expected to bend over and get screwed.
That would be true only for the most unusual definition of the "middle class" that I ever came across.
I consider myself to be in that middle class; I go to work every day, and I get paid reasonably well for that. I don't subsist on govermnent handouts, but I also don't own factories and stores. The middle class, by definition, pays for its own expenses (save, maybe, an occasional emergency.)
I'm paying all kinds of taxes, but I'm not seeing any of that money back from the government, except what is equally distributed through the infrastructure and the common defense, etc. So I'm not quite sure why middle class people like myself would be "draining the coffers of the government". I'm *paying* for that government.
If you ask me, it's not difficult to spot those who indeed drain the coffers. Those are the people who receive checks from the government. Reasons for that vary, and I don't want to paint them all with a wide brush, but social programs report an incredible financial burden that they carry, and if you look inside you will find a guy or two or a few million who draw disproportionally from that piggy bank. And they are not in the middle class, that's for sure.
RE “As for those who say they deserve it because they paid in, well I’m sorry, but like all other ponzi schemes someone gets left holding the bag. Unless you want the entire economy taken down, which is what we get if we keep waiting to face this unpleasant truth, we have to get on the road to controlling the entitlements and that means Social Security and Medicare.”
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There’s a big difference between THIS Soc. Sec. Ponzi scheme and other Ponzi schemes, like Madoff’s — WE did not jump into it willingly. We were FORCED into it by this government. HUGE DIFFERENCE!
Think of another way to prop up this economy — “Means testing?” Yeah, sure, that’ll work out REAL well...... LOL