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To: Hoffer Rand

“So, if someone works their tail off at a well-paying job all their life, they’re not allowed to enjoy the fruits of their labor?”

Oh, but they did. They used their SS to finance the Chicago Housing Authority. They used it to send every Tom, Dick, and Harry to college. They used it to pay for Maplethorpe art work. They certainly did (collectively) enjoy the fruits of their labor. If they REALLY wanted to save up for retirement, they would have taxed themselves at the necessary rate, to cover both the above indulgences, PLUS their retirement. But they chose not to. No different than wanting to buy two cars, but only having the money for one.

“After all, they’ve paid the most into the system.”

Not really - they essentially paid nothing into “the system” - otherwise the money would be there waiting for them and this debate would not take place.

“Let me give you the flip side. My MIL never worked a day in her life. My FIL never made over $14K a year. After he passed in 1994, his SS benefits went to her. She got $1550 a month for the rest of her life. She lived another 15 years. Are you OK with your kids paying for that?”

Fair question - personally, yes - I don’t like the idea of seeing millions of old people starve. I certainly prefer giving them welfare rather than giving it to working-capable people. But that is a question for the country as a whole to answer.

“According to you, I guess that’s ok, just as long as somebody doesn’t have a Winnebago. You’re just another class warfare socialist.”

Obviously the term Winnebago is a metaphor - but it does get the point across. As to a class-warfare type - I’m actually trying to prevent one. The young people will stand for SLAVERY to finance the indulgences of rich seniors - you will see a class war that will make Russia 100 years ago look like child’s play.


400 posted on 01/02/2011 6:20:29 PM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

There is that word again - rich, and other variations like wealthy to somehow poison what many of us have dumped into the system. We are debating socialist trolls like you over this subject. The goal is not to give up, but to correct the system by other means, as mentioned above.


709 posted on 01/03/2011 7:25:53 PM PST by SgtHooper
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