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American Thinker ^ | December 31, 2010 | Timothy Birdnow

Posted on 12/31/2010 6:16:37 AM PST by Delacon

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To: Delacon
Remember that erupting Icelandic volcano with the unpronounceable name that disrupted air travel over the Atlantic last summer? ...the CO2 spewed into the atmosphere by this relatively small volcano would have wiped out any carbon reductions from the Kyoto protocols. We have seen large volcanic eruptions actually change global temperatures. The massive Krakatoa volcanic eruption in the 19th century caused a much colder winter the following year...dubbed the year without a summer. Yet global climate was not permanently disrupted and within two years things were back to normal. Similarly the Mt. Pinatubo eruption a few years ago caused a temperature decline, yet we did not see the global climate going over some "tipping point".

To assert that minute variations of a single gas in our atmosphere that constitutes less than .01% of the atmosphere as a whole can produce radical alterations of global climate is patently absurd as we have not seen seen the radical swings in global climate after every volcanic eruption.

21 posted on 12/31/2010 7:07:36 AM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: Delacon

If global warming causes global cooling, wouldn’t they just be canceling each other out? So there really isn’t any global warming, because the cooling cools the warming? Just sayin.


22 posted on 12/31/2010 7:08:57 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: Delacon

Within a few years “children just aren’t going to know what snow is.” Snowfall will be “a very rare and exciting event.” Dr. David Viner, senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia, interviewed by the UK Independent, March 20, 2000.


23 posted on 12/31/2010 7:14:26 AM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: NELSON111

Strange day for this time of year in Cleveland, Ohio. It’s 50 degrees, and the sun is out!


24 posted on 12/31/2010 7:16:14 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: MsLady
If global warming causes global cooling, wouldn’t they just be canceling each other out?

So there really isn’t any global warming, because the cooling cools the warming?

That's the way control theory works, and it applies to most everything in equilibrium.

It works in climate science, electronic control, economics, and even social behavior (as the fart in the elevator demonstrates, negative feedback from the females keeps the farter under control).

The enviro-mental greenies have been trying to tell us that the feedback is somehow positive and there will be a runaway scenario happen. Under their theory, higher CO2 would cause higher temps, causing the absorption of sun heat to increase causing higher temps. They used this to try and scare the pants off old ladies and children to get support for their radical anti-American/anti-human agenda.

Hopefully this article is an accidental sign that common sense is reinserting itself into the political equation. The NYT simply doesn't know they have admitted facts that kill the AGW theory if allowed to blossom.

25 posted on 12/31/2010 7:46:17 AM PST by SteamShovel (Beware the RINO-VIRUS...It will kill the TEA Party movement.)
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To: UCANSEE2

I’ll have to try that sometime.


26 posted on 12/31/2010 7:49:13 AM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Just goes to show you...there is no such thing as normal weather. Average temp is just the middle between the two extremes.


27 posted on 12/31/2010 8:02:12 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: upchuck

Yeah dying to the point that the Feds are now going to issue air permits to power plants and refineries to ‘slow’ the amount of CO2 they are emitting.


28 posted on 12/31/2010 8:05:01 AM PST by tatown (Obama is a turd)
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To: NELSON111

I’m not talkin’ ‘bout the temperature! It’s the sun being out here that’s unusual! 8^)


29 posted on 12/31/2010 8:07:00 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Delacon
Flippin Global Warming is killing us out here


30 posted on 12/31/2010 8:10:28 AM PST by Utah Binger (Finally home to a foot of snow. I thought I was in southern Utah)
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To: upchuck

” Thanks for posting the entire article and preserving the formatting and the links. You should give lessons”.

Your wish is my command.

How to post articles on FR like a pro(vanity)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2649811/posts


31 posted on 12/31/2010 8:12:20 AM PST by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon
Skeptics have argued that, well, yes, extra carbon dioxide may give us a minor rise in temperatures on average globally, but that negative feedbacks will ultimately restore balance. (A point that the creator of AGW theory Roger Revelle agreed was the case.) That is exactly the argument being made here by Judah Cohen, even while he strives to make the negative feedbacks seem sinister.

All very true, great article.

32 posted on 12/31/2010 8:32:10 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: NELSON111
I wonder what the reason for Buffalo getting buried in the mid 1970's was then?

Same as now, Lake Erie. Buffalo is not the right place to test theories of global anything.

Would a collpase of the Greenland Ice Sheet (caused by a warmer earth) shut down the Gulf Stream and put Europe in a Deep Freeze? Yes.

Collapse is out of the question. Even a lot of melting from Greenland isn't going to shut down the gulf stream which is driven by annual Arctic refreezing.

So...just because its cold in your part of the world doesn't mean the globe isn't warmer overall.

True and I agree with the rest of your comments, it is getting cooler and may get colder (somewhat unpredictable solar variables and very unpredictable volcanic activity are involved)

33 posted on 12/31/2010 8:43:19 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: ml/nj

I think they meant that there is more exposed ocean surface to evaporate from. One problem with that theory is that world evaporation depends on temperatures and winds over the tropical ocean, not the puny amount from the Arctic. It can be seen by looking at snowfall at Barrow where the Arctic ocean thaws each year. There is a little more snow in the fall because of the open water, but not much more.


34 posted on 12/31/2010 8:48:11 AM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: SteamShovel
(as the fart in the elevator demonstrates, negative feedback from the females keeps the farter under control).

LOL...that was funny. I think I remember reading that higher CO2 actually caused cooling, like volcano ash does? And that the oceans emit a lot of the CO2 into the atmosphere.

35 posted on 12/31/2010 9:01:11 AM PST by MsLady (If you died tonight, where would you go? Salvation, don't leave earth without it!)
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To: NELSON111

There used to be over 130 meteorology stations scattered over the Canadian Arctic. Over the last 20 years, those stations have been defunded, decomissioned, and shut down until now. As of three years ago, there is exactly ONE recording met station on Canadian soil North of the Arctic Circle, according to a couple of internet sources...

The met station that is most heavily used by the warmists is in a place known as the Arctic Riviera: Ammassalik, Greenland. For a Package Tour, follow this link

http://www.explorerscorner.com/greenland


36 posted on 12/31/2010 9:49:04 AM PST by Don W (I keep some folks' numbers in my 'phone just so I know NOT to answer when they call...)
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To: palmer

Greenland is frozen freshwater glaciers. It would be freshwater melt that would shut down the gulf stream...and that is not subject to annual refreezing as you suggest. It would not matter how much snowfall you had in Greenland during the winter if you had substantial melting. It would put massive amounts of freshwater (cold freshwater) into the system and shutdown the thermohaline circulation. The arctic is subject to refreeze and has no effect on the gulf stream.


37 posted on 12/31/2010 9:57:41 AM PST by NELSON111
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Freshwater freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit.
Saltwater freezes at a much lower temp.
Saltwater is denser than freshwater.
Freshwater does not enter the equation.
Freshwater freezes before saltwater does.


38 posted on 12/31/2010 11:12:33 AM PST by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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To: Darksheare
Please read up on the thermohaline circulation before commenting. Freshwater melt is a big factor in the shutdown of the THC as such events as the Younger Dryas event may elude to.

And that is my point. The freshwater would have to come from Greenland. It could not come from the Arctic. This is all theory...as it has not been observed during the time of man.

39 posted on 12/31/2010 11:34:53 AM PST by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111

Please read up on basic science before believing in global warming.


40 posted on 12/31/2010 11:36:28 AM PST by Darksheare (I shook hands with Sheryl Crow and all I got was Typhus and a single sheet of toilet paper.)
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