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To: Leisler
I am unaware, ever, of any organized Police protest, ever, against any good, bad or indifferent law. If the ink, smeared on wood pulp is describe as ‘law’ and orders people into camps, ditches whatever, the police as an institution will obey, even though in fact they are but fellow citizens with powers derived from their fellow citizens.

Wrong. Tens of Thousands of Law Enforcement Officers use their discretion each and every day in refusing to enforce absurd laws. I know officers who in their decades of service not once wrote a seat-belt ticket, because they believed that seat-belt laws were absurd and nonsensical. I know others who refuse to enforce pro-arrest policies at domestics. There are very few mandatory arrest provisions in law, very few. In all the others, individual officers can utilize their discretion on whether to charge an offense or not.

What happens with the constant reductio-ad-hitlerum that is prevalent among libertines, is chasing good people out of the police forces, people who will exercise their discretion in a good way. If good people won't join the police forces, they will be replaced by people who shouldn't be there. That's exactly what the Communists have wanted since the 1950s.

66 posted on 12/30/2010 6:47:43 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998
"...organized Police protest..

Also,I not aware of any, not one single organized teacher protest for higher standards, either. Anyway, Please, cite one, small, public protest by any LEO union, organization, unit. Anywhere. Go back decades.

161 posted on 12/31/2010 3:44:41 AM PST by Leisler (They always lie, and have for so much and for so long, that they no longer know what about.)
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To: freedomwarrior998

I considered law enforcement very seriously at one point.

I ultimately rejected it for myself, because I view the job as described: law enforcement. Not legislation, not picking and choosing. It would be my job to write the ticket, execute the warrant, etc. and the job of the accused to defend himself against it (if he survived the fog of the encounter).
While I want to applaud people who do not enforce immoral laws on the one hand, I also recall a story once heard of a game warden who had to arrest someone in a poor family for poaching (”you all decide whom”), because he law had been broken, and it was his job. But ever after, meat showed up on their doorstep - his mix of integrity and compassion.

At this point, I could not enforce a great number of laws on the books, and so I would rather seek to get them changed.

At some other point, prudence may dictate that numbers of us should become “them” in order to save the people as you suggest. I am not sure we are there yet, my hat’s off to you if you are trying to get in position to be one of those people when it becomes needful.

In the meantime - to my newfound friend who boasts of his SWAT team being able to “clear” a regular sized house in five seconds (in training - are they really keeping weapons on targets at full speed, making real “shoot or don’t shoot” judgements, and avoiding obstacles in a house with unknown plans?): I wish them the best. May they always be in the side of the right. And remember - There are lots of things that can slow an entry - design wise or other wise - and I only have to know where my entry way is and fill it up, you have to find me to fill me up. So please make sure that you are at the right house, or my family and yours may grieve a long time - because I fear that my first response may be the wrong one, at four a.m. in the morning.


191 posted on 12/31/2010 3:03:40 PM PST by Apogee
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