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To: OneWingedShark
You already know the answer to your question, so it is rhetorical, correct? I've already stated in this thread that no-knock warrants are presumptively unreasonable, unless justified separately by the criteria laid out in Wilson and subsequent decisions.

No one is advocating that the police use no-knock warrants whenever they feel like it, without oversight, without parameters. In fact, even I said that no-knock warrants should be strictly controlled, and are probably over-used, and that this should be reigned in.

However, some people here, and you seem to be among their ranks, want to forbid ALL no knock warrants, when the law clearly allows for them.

Moreover, even you would probably allow for them in certain circumstances as well. (No one is truly an absolutist). We already used the terrorist example. We could use another, such as, what if a person were holding your children hostage, would you require that the police knock and announce their presence before making entry into the suspect's home?

Here's another. What if a suspect were in possession of a nuclear device, and had the means to set it off. Assume for the purposes of this question that the suspect can be stopped if the officers make an unannounced entry, but if the police knock and announce, the suspect will have the time to set off the device. How much of an absolutist are you? Should the police knock and announce or not?

I suspect that even you would admit that a no-knock entry would not only be reasonable, but absolutely necessary in both circumstances, thus, clearly, no-knock entries ARE permissible in some circumstances, even in your theoretical libertine world. The question then becomes a line drawing exercise.

Who draws that line?

237 posted on 01/02/2011 12:55:21 PM PST by freedomwarrior998
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To: freedomwarrior998

Would you, being a father or husband, cower behind protection and require the police to save your family?
That, I think, would be a better way of phrasing it. And along with it, would you seek prevent a father or husband whose family is being held from taking it upon himself to enter into combat for their sakes?

“However, some people here, and you seem to be among their ranks, want to forbid ALL no knock warrants, when the law clearly allows for them.”

And I am not ashamed to be so numbered.
I simply do not believe that it is either reasonable or moral to allow the police to break into ones house. Period.

As someone further up-thread mentioned, if the goal was truly the mere apprehension then things such as cutting the electricity and water or simply waiting outside would be sufficient; but this is not the only goal, the other goal is to make a show of force and, on the psychological level, reduce the non-police to realization that their lives and property are subject to the whims of the government through its agents “the police.”


238 posted on 01/02/2011 1:15:19 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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