So your idea about freedom only for the moral — and I agree with you in part — but if you want to extend this to homosexuals you must also extend it to heterosexuals who practice sodomy (oral sex is also sodomy) plus the FRC must exclude all Mormons from conservative meet-ups because of course, Mormons are immoral nonChristians and do not believe polygamy or violence against infidels to be a sin.
And as you say that “Rebuking sinners is one of the seven Spiritual Works of Mercy”, well heterosexual couples who practice sodomy need to be rebuked along with all the heretical Mormons at CPAC.
(Heresy or heretics who pass themselves off as “Christians” is such a sin that it is listed in the Book of Jude as worse than homosexuality.
Remember, the entire letter of Jude is ABOUT heresy, false prophets and making a comparison between Satan rebelling against Heaven (not keeping to his position but wanting to be God himself),
and then this great evil is compared to homosexuality,
and then, Jude expounds on how this same evil of heretics, of those who have insinuated themselves into the love feasts of the Church, (in other words, have passed themselves off as fellow Christians) are given the full force of Jude's invective:
Jude 1:6
And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.
7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
8 IN THE VERY SAME WAY, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings.
9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, “The Lord rebuke you!”
10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational animals do—will destroy them.
11 Woe to them! They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.
12 These people are blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves. They are clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead.
13 They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones 15 to judge everyone, and to convict all of them of all the ungodly acts they have committed in their ungodliness, and of all the defiant words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
16 These people are grumblers and faultfinders; they follow their own evil desires; they boast about themselves and flatter others for their own advantage.
17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold.
18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.”
19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit..)
The FRC is hugely hypocritical for having flagrant heretical antiChristian Mormons at their meet ups and then not going to CPAC because of some conservative GOProud people.
And I would turn your own argument against you, the whole term “values” is meaningless and was another Marxist influence on the culture in the 1980’s when it came in vogue. I believe Bloom in his book: The Closing Of the American Mind — deals with this false terminology of “values” as well.
“So your idea about freedom only for the moral”
Your first statement shows a failure to understand what I said, and I’m afraid that sets the tone for the rest of your note.
“but if you want to extend this to homosexuals you must also extend it to heterosexuals who practice sodomy (oral sex is also sodomy)”
Howls, Bruce. Howls of derisive laughter. I could eat a dictionary and crap a better argument than that.
It is homosexual conduct that God calls an abomination. I find no remarks of His that similarly condemn acts between husband and wife.
“plus the FRC must exclude all Mormons from conservative meet-ups because of course, Mormons are immoral nonChristians”
Breathtaking. The arrogance needed to lead a person to believe that others are so vile as that and one’s self so lofty as to sit in judgment is positively stunning. Your only excuse could be that you really do believe Christians to be as petty as you show yourself to be in putting those words in their mouths.
“and do not believe polygamy or violence against infidels to be a sin.”
As far as I can tell, mainstream Mormons practice neither of those things. Leftards, though, practice both, just without benefit of clergy.
“And as you say that “Rebuking sinners is one of the seven Spiritual Works of Mercy”, well heterosexual couples who practice sodomy need to be rebuked along with all the heretical Mormons at CPAC.”
Is that really what passes for rational thought in the social circles in which you travel? Come on, now, ‘fess up. You’re not really a conservative. Conservatives are smarter than that.
“Heresy or heretics who pass themselves off as “Christians” is such a sin that it is listed in the Book of Jude as worse than homosexuality.”
Good grief! Outright falsehood concerning the content of the Holy Scripture? My flesh is crawling.
“7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
8 IN THE VERY SAME WAY, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings.”
This is a better translation:
1:7. As Sodom and Gomorrha and the neighboring cities, in like manner, having given themselves to fornication and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire.
1:8. In like manner, these men also *defile the flesh* and despise dominion and blaspheme majesty.
(Blaspheme majesty... Speak evil of them that are in dignity; and even utter blasphemies against the divine majesty.)
In any case, there is nothing in either translation that supports—even by the wildest flight of fevered imagination—your assertion that “Heresy or heretics who pass themselves off as “Christians” is such a sin that it is listed in the Book of Jude as worse than homosexuality.”
By the way, concerning your translation: ((Shudder)).
“The FRC is hugely hypocritical for having flagrant heretical antiChristian Mormons at their meet ups and then not going to CPAC because of some conservative GOProud people.”
Puerile nonsense. I’ve seen more sophisticated theology in a Chinese restaurant’s fortune cookies. A person can only be a heretic if he is a member of the faith that calls him so. Mormons are not Catholics, nor protestants, nor Jews. Their beliefs may be wrong, but they are not heresy with regard to any of those faiths. There is no reason that a Christian of any denomination may not make common cause with them for the accomplishment of conservative goals.
Homosexuality, on the other hand, is an abomination no matter the religious beliefs of those engaged in that behavior.
“And I would turn your own argument against you”
Yeah, I know you “would,” but you just don’t seem to be able to make the grade.
“the whole term “values” is meaningless and was another Marxist influence on the culture in the 1980’s when it came in vogue.”
Perhaps you’d be good enough to point out just where I used the word “values” in this thread.
“I believe Bloom in his book: The Closing Of the American Mind — deals with this false terminology of “values” as well.”
Wudja do, run by the library and try to cherry-pick some ammunition out of the book? Try reading the whole book—slowly—three or four times.
Interesting how people who try to argue that the loathsome perversions symptomatic of same-sex attraction disorder are in actuality the equal or better of actual marriage, when homosexuality is called abomination by God Himself, can never do so without resort to false moral equivalences and other logical fallacies, and always seem to be trying to “win” rather than to find the truth.