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Andy Xie: Either America Or China Will Crash In 2011
The Business Insider ^ | 12/27/2010 | Gus Lubin

Posted on 12/27/2010 8:08:50 AM PST by FromLori

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I think both the Communist Chinese and the US economy is due for a big crash

The Communist Chinese has an economy based on what the US buys...the US cannot afford to buy all the Communist Chinese crap anymore. ComChina cannot rely on a domestic market...nor rely on Europe to buy its products.

It is obvious that Liberal Free Trade Globalism is an abject failure. The US can no longer afford to bailout anyone or anything because of the failure of Liberal Free Trade Globalism.

The US needs to slap tariffs on Communist Chinese goods, and do it now. It is better to crash the Communist Chinese than the American economy


21 posted on 12/27/2010 8:57:38 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Whenever something is "Global"...it means its bad for America)
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To: MrPiper

What if we kill NAFTA, raise interest rates to a reasonable 5-8%, and do away with minimum wage. Things could not get much worse than they are now.

While I’m at it, food stamps. (EBT cards) can only purchase dried beans, hamburger, flour, cheese, milk, eggs, Thats all. Unemployment benefits only last 6 weeks, then you are eligible for an EBT card.


This would be a better system than we have now. NAFTA should be killed immediately...we have tens of billions in trade deficits with Mexico....and that is a nation on the verge of being taken over by the Drug Cartels. It would be a major economic nightmare if the US had to rely on food, energy, and goods from the Mexican Drug Cartels.


22 posted on 12/27/2010 9:01:45 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Whenever something is "Global"...it means its bad for America)
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To: FromLori
A market can adjust to inflation. There is no reason to think that inflation by itself will cause a market to crash. I don't see China crashing as a result of inflation.

The FED is committed to easing until unemployment rises, which I think is a smart short run policy.

I have other fears about the U.S. economy though. We can't continue to buy everything from overseas except medical services and expect it to be sustainable. In truth we have more manufacturing than appears on the shelves of wal-mart, but I fear we continue to lose it through unwise trade policies.

I don't think the FED is prepared to continue easing until we are on labor wage parity with China. And we certainly don't want to go there. So trade policy needs to be modified to prevent the continued loss of U.S. jobs. QE by itself is unlikely to achieve this.

23 posted on 12/27/2010 9:05:18 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: FromLori

Vegas makes the US the favorite and gives a 7 point spread. China has more, a lot more, poor people. If China’s inflation worsens, those people can’t buy food. Hungry poor people will riot, and China already has serious internal security issues. China can always use it’s massive foreign exchange reserves to buy food and distribute it, but logistically that’s a nightmare, and will only happen after there’s violence.

The US policy is idiotic, but currently our margins are better than China’s.


24 posted on 12/27/2010 9:14:58 AM PST by mojito
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To: FromLori
The Chinese economy is more vulnerable than it appears, because it's a bubble economy. The housing bubble was bad, but the bubble that China's in is far more dangerous because it looks self-sustaining.

In technical terms, it's a capital-goods bubble. Monetary inflation is absorbed in producing capital goods, which increase productivity and make the inflation look harmless. This kind of bubble is one that always fools monetarists, because statistics show that the price rises predicted by the quantity theory are absorbed by productivity gains.

What's really happening, though, is monetary-inflation-induced overproduction. Thanks to the ratcheting up of the money supply, the brakes that normally moderate capital-goods growth are disabled. As a result, businesses are started that would not have been profitable absent the inflation.

The United States went through a capital-goods bubble, which the monetarists of the time were blind to because the monetary inflation didn't really spill over into price inflation. I'm referring to the 1920s.

The PRC is riding the tiger here. If the monetary inflation is damped off, there'll be a lot of ostensibly productive malinvestment revealed. Once the hammer falls, China is likely to down-spin into an all-out depression. That's the long-term wages of a capital-goods bubble.

25 posted on 12/27/2010 9:18:57 AM PST by danielmryan
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To: FromLori

Business is VERY hesitant to invest in workers since the 2008 recession. Investing in brick and mortar is ok but not workers.

This tells me our industries are getting ready for another major economic contraction very soon.


26 posted on 12/27/2010 9:52:04 AM PST by cougar_mccxxi
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To: FromLori

Like two Indians in a knife fight, we are tied together..............


27 posted on 12/27/2010 10:22:52 AM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing to something right.)
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To: FromLori

If America crashes, China goes down with it. They have been selling us so much stuff, and still are, that they could not handle the amount of productivity they would have to idle. Most Chinese factories are already way under utilized and the workers are complaining almost constantly about low hours. If America stops buying “stuff”, they will be hurting really badly and there is not another market to go to. The “myth” of selling to themselves is just that, a myth. Their population does not have the disposable income to buy all the junk they make.


28 posted on 12/27/2010 10:28:00 AM PST by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Bullish; CJ Wolf; houeto; Quix; B4Ranch; Whenifhow; Silentgypsy; blam; FromLori; Lurker; ...
Pong ping.

"Economic Holocaust" ping.

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FReepmail me if you want on or off
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Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

29 posted on 12/27/2010 11:34:20 AM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: The Comedian

THX THX.

BTW,

Do you have solar and wind electricity generating capacity?

What’s the most fitting economical basic system you or anyone could recommend worth praying for?

Is there a DIY kit available?


30 posted on 12/27/2010 11:37:03 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: The Comedian
Either America Or China Will Crash In 2011

I hate these multiple choice questions!

31 posted on 12/27/2010 11:38:44 AM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: PGR88
The USA and China have become siamese twins - we will crash together.

Well... if we crash, then China will almost certainly crash, and experience significant unrest as well.

Difficult to know if it will go the other way around.

33 posted on 12/27/2010 3:02:51 PM PST by r9etb
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To: FromLori

With manufacturing, China can afford and live with much more inflation. People work, sustainable revenues go to government, and it continues. And contrary to over three years of propaganda harping that the Chinese economy would crash with fewer American buyers, China has found quite a few other customers.

Without manufacturing, a country cannot sustain revenues for big government. After the repudiation of debt is forced by fed-up citizens, we’ll finally see small government.


34 posted on 12/27/2010 3:34:39 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Quix; The Comedian

Answer to Quix’ question:

http://www.builditsolar.com/Experimental/PEXColDHW/Overview.htm

http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/SpaceHeating/SolarShed/solarshed.htm

Wind only works well enough in places too harsh for most people to live and destroys commercial wind turbines (small alternators, bearings, winds too high, think 110 mph wind loads in the real mountains). Due to tax credit welfare for the “rich” (heh, heh), PV (solar electric) component prices are sky high. “Professional” installers are even higher.

But the solar heating systems are very good and well worth it, if you install yourself. And propane and natural gas will probable be pretty expensive a little over a year from now.


35 posted on 12/27/2010 3:43:47 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: FromLori

If one crashes, the other won’t be far behind...


36 posted on 12/27/2010 3:49:57 PM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: familyop; Quix
Thanks for answering that, familyop.

I've got the beginnings of solar which, here in central TX, makes a lot of sense. Not enough wind for wind mills, but I do plan on hooking progressives up to a treadmill to generate power. They slow down, the current from the battery bank feeds back to their...well you get the picture.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

37 posted on 12/27/2010 3:52:59 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: FromLori
"Either America Or China Will Crash In 2011"

If you believe that "either" could be true, BTW, start building your fallout shelters. If you don't, you know that our "economy" was handed to a foreign communist nation, and a nuclear exchange will be in our future due to that decline. Build your fallout shelters either way. ;-)

BTW, do you think gas will really go to $5 over the next year or two? ;-) I see the decline of public education and political correctness in our near future.


38 posted on 12/27/2010 3:58:11 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: Quix

You might try this site. Currently, the top article is a DIY generator from lawn mower parts. Search solar or wind and you should find something of interest. (best prepper site, IMHO)

http://www.survivalblog.com/


39 posted on 12/27/2010 4:03:21 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: The Comedian
"I've got the beginnings of solar which, here in central TX, makes a lot of sense."

Yes, it does! We get well over 300 sun days here, too, and less atmosphere above us (over 9,000 elev.). We're doing PV here (ourselves), because the nearest electrical hookup is over two miles away. ...much study (the NEC, the IRC, inspectors' and installers guides, etc.).

...and wind, because we get wind as though we're on another planet (40-80 mph very common)--requires homebuilts with alternators on trailer hubs (see otherpower.com).

"Not enough wind for wind mills, but I do plan on hooking progressives up to a treadmill to generate power. They slow down, the current from the battery bank feeds back to their...well you get the picture."

LOL! ...good one! "Progressives" should be carrying plenty of fuel to generate for a while, if you put the juice to them.


40 posted on 12/27/2010 4:11:19 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-' 96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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