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1 posted on 12/24/2010 10:27:25 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Interesting!


2 posted on 12/24/2010 10:39:53 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

The Army and Marines... using common sense, again.


3 posted on 12/24/2010 10:42:30 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Interesting. I forwarded the story on to my wonderful DH.


4 posted on 12/24/2010 10:45:10 PM PST by PERKY2004 (Proud wife of a military pilot ~ Please pray for him (he's deployed to Iraq))
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
With the air force pooling resources is only a good idea when they need something, like control over Navy logistics aircraft. It is never a good idea when they might have to turn over something, like UAVs in this case.

personally I like the idea of officer mission commanders, at least, because I don't want enlisted guys getting in trouble trying to meet the ROE criteria for remote weapons employment. It isn't a superiority thing, it is a looking out for the kids thing. You know if they screw up they are going to get hammered.

5 posted on 12/24/2010 10:46:10 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

The USN is not plannng on using officers as UAV drivers and are going with senior enlisted as well. For a while the USAF wanted 1000hr pilots to drive UAVs, but seems to have backed off a bit from that.


7 posted on 12/24/2010 10:51:29 PM PST by Starwolf
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Just let the Gunney Sarges and other NCO’s free & loose to defend our nation (& indeed the Western world) and there is little about which to worry.


8 posted on 12/24/2010 11:05:25 PM PST by dodger
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
I hate to pile on, being a former zoomie, but Army has this right, and AF has it wrong. CAS needs to be in the hands of the organic units on the ground. Not some hotshot supersonic jet jock.

CAP? AF all the way. Own the airspace so the low and slow can support the ground pounders. Bombs don't win wars. Bombs enable ground forces to more quickly shoot, move and communicate. But bombs by themselves don't win wars.

Boots on the ground taking and holding territory, and imposing our will wins wars.

/johnny

9 posted on 12/24/2010 11:25:16 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

The AF doesn’t like to get it’s hands dirty or roughed up for that matter.They are a force whose members are decidedly tilted toward the more cerebral among us.

Did you know there is even a hand cream dispenser in the cockpits of the aircraft?


19 posted on 12/25/2010 2:09:07 AM PST by 101voodoo
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
The third member of the Predator family is the MQ-9 Reaper. This is a 4.7 ton, 11 meter/36 foot long aircraft with a 20 meter/66 foot wingspan that looks like the MQ-1. It has six hard points, and can carry about a ton (2,400 pounds) of weapons. These include Hellfire missiles (up to eight), two Sidewinder or two AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, two Maverick missiles, or two 227 kg/500 pound smart bombs (laser or GPS guided.) Max speed is 400 kilometers an hour, and max endurance is 15 hours. The Reaper is considered a combat aircraft, to replace F-16s or A-10s in ground support missions.

Once again our Air Force is showing its apparent distain for ground support. Replace the A-10 with this thing? The UAV doesn’t even have a gun!
In Viet Nam we loved the old A-1 Skyraider. It could hang around for hours and carried a good bomb load along with four 20 mm cannons. If the fast flyers were sent to help us they’d fly in, drop their load and fly back to rearm/refuel.
Our Air Force is in love with high and fast. Low and slow works much better for ground support. It also wants everything that flys under its control. Back in the early 60s all Army fixed wing aircraft were turned over to the Air Force. It’s the same with our Navy – now they want to take over all Army ships and boats.

21 posted on 12/25/2010 5:15:49 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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The air force cannot understand the personal angle,

Yep, we just laugh at all CAS requests from those ground pukes.

Total bullshit.

Hey, how's that airspace gonna be divided up for control?

IIRC, the Army wants non-ATO aircraft to be free to operate up to 15K with ground-pounders flying them. Yeah, no hazards there. I've seen where a single aircraft in the wrong altitude blocks can cause all hell to break loose. The airspace over a combat zone can be quite crowded.

Is the solution to just have a ROZ over every ground unit engaged in combat operations? If so, it would be like every separate ground unit was fighting its own little war. No unity of effort. We've been down this road before, and it sucks.

22 posted on 12/25/2010 5:40:16 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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