Posted on 12/24/2010 8:08:49 AM PST by Charlespg
A black father has been sensationally pardoned for the racially charged murder of a white teenager he claimed was part of a ‘lynch mob’ that stormed his home.
John White, 57, was freed after serving just five months of a two-to-four-year prison sentence for the shooting.
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
If the article I just read is correct, a mob came to this guy’s house to attack his son. He went outside, with a handgun, and confronted the mob, before violence started. One kid came up to him, aggressively, and was hitting him, on his own property, when the gun went off.
He would have been justified in punching the kid’s ticket cold, in my book. In my day, if you went to Johnny’s house to settle something, and Dad came out and said, “It’s not gonna happen,” you went home. Kids respected parental authority. That this kid did not says a lot about who he was.
Here’s a fact for you. In disarming drills, if you hit the gunholder’s hand to the wrong side, the gun will go off reflexively, and you will get hit in the face, if that is where the gun is being held. It will happen whether the gunholder wants it to or not, as it is due to a tendon reflex. A lot of guys in paintball masks have taken Simmunition shots to the head proving it. Since this kid had a gun to his head, and slapped it one way without any incident, and then slapped it the other way when he got hit, this guy probably didn’t pull the trigger intentionally, the kid just cleared the gun to the wrong side, too hard, and did himself.
Of course all of this ignores the fact that none of us are going to be at the top of our calm, cool and collected game facing down a group of hostile trespassers, who are getting in our face.
I agree, racists are ugly whatever color they are.
Not so fast.
Be aware that the conditions for responding with justified lethal force vary greatly in locales across the USA. Not everyone lives in Massachusetts or San Francisco as you do, and you're not always required to stay cowering inside the plywood box you call your domicile while a gathering of armed barbarians shout death threats outside your home.
Hell, at least one of you lives in a locale where even if they break into your home intent on bloody murder you're required to place a lampshade on your head, pretend you're a lamp, and hope for the best. Only when they're cutting your guts out with your own kitchen knife are you sort-of allowed to fight back. In some places in the USA, you can engage at range and even give chase if they flee.
In many places, it's perfectly acceptable to take the initiative in such cases. 'Reasonable' for you doesn't fit 'Reasonable' for me, under the law. If you have angry little Vinnie tough-guys for relatives in your area (like the sort that Clemenza suitably describes) who may be prone to acting as the dead boy in this story did, you might want to tell them to avoid any US state west of the Mississippi, in particularly damned sure the state of Texas, and to stay their asses in Boston and Philadelphia and Bensonhurst where they get away with hijinks like this all the time with no fear of getting their heads blown into cat food.
Just acknowledge that much at least. I am aware that this event occurred in Long Island, NY.
That is not what happened.
My understanding of the facts of this case are very different from what you have posted here.
The crowd was not armed and I'm pretty sure they weren't shouting death threats either (although there were some threats made earlier). A lot of people have made plainly false statements of fact on this thread. You are one of them.
These kids were also well-known to be a gang of toughs called 'The Blackout Club' who directed hostile action against blacks who lived in their community.
I'm suspicious of your defense of these animals when you don't seem to know the facts. I think I know why.
What was the weapon?
You insinuate like a leftist. Are you an evil, America-hating leftist scum or is there some other reason why you act so despicably?
Named after their fast, flashy Mustangs with dark-painted colors, the car-worshipping clique would meet in the local Stop & Shop parking lot every Thursday night to show off their wheels.
Aaron latched onto the circuit, grabbing rides from Blackout Club members, hanging out at their houses and birthday parties.
"This was a friend; this was not a stranger," said Robert Delgado, a father of one of the club members.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_CJjsDWEfbonJ3tNf3w0WbP#ixzz194AT4vgN
Somebody's being dishonest here and it isn't me.
There are a number of different versions of events being presented as fact here. Under yours, I can understand your position. Under the other versions, I can understand the position of a justified shoot.
Perhaps you would consider laying out why you version of events is the factual one.
Well, you're the second unhinged lunatic I've met on a thread devoted to this case. I wonder what it is about this case that draws you types in...
The kid's dead. John White is at home with his intact family. Story is over, no matter how badly you want it to stay alive.
Castle defense is allowed outside the doorway in many states.
Self defense is allowed anywhere but there has to be a reasonable presumption of threat or great bodily harm.
I am not going to acknowledge any such thing.
Had this same scenario happened to me I would have securely locked all my doors, obtained a defensive device, yes a loaded gun if need be, and while watching closely the action outside, would have phoned the police. If there were to come any action that I would interpret to be threatening or looking even remotely like an attempt to enter my domicile I would shoot in a minute. I’d for sure be telling the guy on the other end of the phone line that same thing.
I would NOT walk out into the mob and start shooting and your pretty words and grim verbs will not make me admit such a thing.
You just want to fight. John White just wanted to fight.
Must be something about certain folks and it don’t look like it has much to do with black and white.
Busted!
What particular facts are you interested in pinning down?
How did the jury decide on these factual issues?
Post something that is not goofy, retarded garbage and I might respond to it.
Multiple people against a single person is considered superior force, and if a threat is issued or force is initiated, the use of deadly force could be ruled justifiable homicide, by any reasonable jury.
Skin color is irrelevant. People who form a mob and approach a residence in a threatening manner are too stupid to walk free among the living in the USA.
Things like locations of the shooter and others, independent reports, those kind of things. As I said, the events are being described so diffferently that it is car to beleive that they are about thing.
These youths arrived at the White property intending to do harm after stalking the property out for some time, as video evidence from a neighbor's security cameras proved in court. They brought their little gang and a baseball bat, and court records show that the bat was testified to being in someone's hand outside of a vehicle at the scene of the shooting.
They shouted racial epithets and threats of violence, as the dead boy and his friends were known to do: The judge in the case refused to admit evidence that just days before at a Ford automobile dealership in their town, Daniel Cicciaro Jr. when approached by a black salesman, had said, “I don’t talk to niggers.”. Other stories at the time had testimony from contemporaries at their high school stating that their car club was a gang of would-be tough kids looking for trouble. Before and after the shooting incident, they were referring to the Whites as 'niggers' and testimony in court that wasn't challenged was that one of the boys said 'Come on, we can take that skinny nigger'. Remember that they had a baseball bat and refused to leave the White's property.
John White didn't just walk into a crowd and commence to shooting as you claim. That is false. Not even the prosecutor tried to make that case. White was assaulted by a sawn-off 125-pound 'little-guy acting tough' drunken squirt intent on committing violence on the White property over a mistaken joke that involved the unwitting son of John White. At the hospital where he died, Cicciaro's alcohol level was determined to be twice the legal limit to even be driving, presuming he was even of age to drink alcohol, which he wasn't.
You sure have a lot of sympathy for a violent drunken racist teenage trespasser and his gang intent on causing bodily harm to an occupant of a house who was mistakenly accused by these barbarians of something he didn't do.
So what exactly is preventing you from educating yourself about this case?
Calvin Trillin is a hard core leftist, but you knew that didn’t you?
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