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Navy instructor pilots lose flying status for Lake Tahoe dip
SignOnSanDiego ^ | 12/22/2010 | Jeanette Steele

Posted on 12/22/2010 9:37:01 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Two Navy instructor pilots from San Diego have been forever stripped of flying status and two student pilots will have to repeat training because of a September incident in which they dipped two $33 million helicopters into Lake Tahoe while trying to take photos for the squadron’s Facebook page, a Navy official said Wednesday.

The Sept. 13 incident became public because a bystander caught the event on video and posted it on YouTube.

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; helicopter; laketahoe; mh60; navair; usnavy
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1 posted on 12/22/2010 9:37:04 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

I remember seeing this video.
It looked like on of the helicopters was very close to crashing.

These two clowns deserve what they got.


2 posted on 12/22/2010 9:42:55 PM PST by mowowie
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Video here:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYExH8hpgXI&feature=player_embedded


3 posted on 12/22/2010 9:46:20 PM PST by rawhide
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
The video shows the two MH-60R Seahawk helicopters trying to hover low, about 70 feet off the lake. One apparently loses control for a few seconds, smacks its landing gear in the water, then pulls up. Both aircraft went into the water, though the footage only captured one, Navy officials have said.

Both helicopters were damaged. Repairs to electronic antenna and other equipment totaled $505,000.

The Navy’s report on the incident, released Wednesday, holds harsh words for the two flight instructors, both lieutenants, at the controls that day.

“Their complacency, lack of flight discipline and succession of poor judgments nearly led to the loss of two aircraft and 10 U.S. Navy sailors for no benefit and did result in the damage of two aircraft.”

4 posted on 12/22/2010 9:47:19 PM PST by rawhide
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

That one chopper looks like it hit the water pretty hard. They’re probably lucky to be alive. Any idea why they would have lost control like that? Would they loose lift due to the spray coming off the water or something?


5 posted on 12/22/2010 9:50:40 PM PST by smokingfrog (Do all the talking you want, but do what I tell you.)
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To: rawhide

2nd video here with closeup of incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql0-xDne42U


6 posted on 12/22/2010 9:50:46 PM PST by rawhide
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

probably an optical illusion, but it looked like that helicopter went almost completely under before pulling out.


7 posted on 12/22/2010 9:51:44 PM PST by balch3
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To: rawhide

Seeing how far the chopper went into the water on the second video, the pilot was very fortunate he not crash it. I cannot see how he recovered, to fly himself out of the water like he did? Pretty good flying under pressure, considering what happened. Whew!


8 posted on 12/22/2010 9:55:56 PM PST by rawhide
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What ever happened to that dufus who flew around the Statue of Liberty to get photo ops for oBama? NYC wasn’t even notified. What happened to them?


9 posted on 12/22/2010 9:59:24 PM PST by NoRedTape
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

I guess they forgot who pays for those helicopters.


10 posted on 12/22/2010 10:03:55 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2013)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

11 posted on 12/22/2010 10:04:16 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Hot rodders. I wonder how old they were. It seems that their brains weren’t mature enough to have fully installed their JUDGMENT CHIPS.


12 posted on 12/22/2010 10:05:38 PM PST by bannie (( ))
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Any chopper pilots that can attest to the alleged risk shown in the video?


13 posted on 12/22/2010 10:10:00 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: rawhide

They should be fired so they can join the non-existent job market. “Hit the bricks pal!”


14 posted on 12/22/2010 10:12:42 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
I bet there was a lot of underwear sold at the BX later that afternoon...

Can't say much about the first helo... But the second one looks like it could have had a "water line" about half-way up the airframe. Somewhere there was a crew chief ready to commit at least one murder...

Regards,
Raven6

15 posted on 12/22/2010 10:13:17 PM PST by Raven6 (The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important than either.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

So did the pilots report the incident when they got back to base or is the video the only thing that kept these fools from getting away with it.


16 posted on 12/22/2010 10:17:49 PM PST by DryFly
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To: DryFly

Not sure, but kinda hard to conceal over half a million dollars worth of damage.


17 posted on 12/22/2010 10:27:06 PM PST by rawhide
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
I find this interesting:

The 33-page report drew an unflattering portrait of the squadron involved, HSM-41 at North Island Naval Air Station. The unit’s purpose is to train pilots to fly the Seahawk.

The commanding officer at the time, who was not named, created a climate that contributed to the mishap, it concluded.

The year before, the commander himself flew over Lake Tahoe at a low altitude, about 200 feet from the water — something that had “no valid training or operational reason.” The report also criticized the commander for laissez-faire oversight of flights headed outside of San Diego.

That officer was replaced in the squadron 10 days after the September crash and is now doing graduate work at the Naval War College in Rhode Island, a Navy spokesman said.

The former commander’s career was not affected by the Tahoe incident because “ultimately, nothing in the investigation indicated that accountability rested solely with him,” said Lt. Aaron Kakiel, a spokesman for Myers.

The two Navy helicopters were returning from participating in the California Capital Airshow at the former Mather Air Force Base. The report said one of the flight instructors organized the trip because the airshow was close to family members in Sacramento.

They decided to hover over Tahoe’s Emerald Bay so they could get a nearby island in the background of the shot, which they planned to offer for the squadron’s Facebook page.

18 posted on 12/22/2010 10:30:11 PM PST by rawhide
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
These two Navy flight instructors have the same discipline problems that Air Force pilot Major Michael Freyholtz had when he crashed his C-17 at Elmendorf. This is a ridiculous loss of government property and fliers. C-17 crash report exposes cracks in USAF safety culture
19 posted on 12/22/2010 10:35:37 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Anyone remember the stupid jackass who did a flyover pass trick in a B-52 and crashed it. B-52 were not meant to be flown like that.

The idiot in the Navy gets to go to grad school with the taxpayers footing the bill? Some punishment. What a joke.


20 posted on 12/22/2010 10:40:20 PM PST by Frantzie
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