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To: drpix

In all fairness, not cooperating with the FBI is starting to become fashionable, and not just among Muslims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

And specifically, among Muslims, just a short time ago, an FBI informant attended a mosque, and was trying so hard to prod them into committing illegal acts, that the mosque first contacted the police, then got a restraining order against him. Just one person like this really “poisons the well.”

http://is.gd/jbfiX

Personally, I would advise about anyone to not cooperate with the FBI, for the sole reason that they are so disconnected with the “police reality”, that their actions are far too often unpredictable and uncoordinated, which could turn against an innocent person in an almost whimsical manner.

From not too far away, I watched “mass” FBI activities that had become surreal. For example, after Timothy McVeigh’s attack, hundreds of agents swarmed the rather sedate city of Kingman, AZ, with orders, I gather, to search every nook and cranny, no matter how many times they had been searched before. For months. Many local citizens would no longer answer knocks on their doors, having been interviewed half a dozen times.

A friend in Phoenix was interviewed for two hours, because a friend of his had taken his picture, that happened to catch the corner, of the backside, of a federal building. The FBI agents quickly figured out he was no threat, but apparently were required to talk with him for about two hours, anyway. They didn’t care what about. His father was an insurance actuary, so he talked about term life insurance. After the clock had run out, they just got up and left without saying anything.

This does not instill confidence.


60 posted on 12/21/2010 3:30:13 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
In my comment: The FBI visit and the Imam(s) instructions not to cooperate came only after Muslim parents reported the attempts of radicals to influence their children. The Imam did not report the radicals activities, some parents did. The Imam only tried to prevent the FBI from finding the radicals.

As for cases (as in your comment) were the FBI informant initiates action in a mosque to find those interested in terrorism: If a Mosque is innocent, they will report the informant posing as a radical and the test in itself would have served of revealing mosques that are not hospitable to this type. If they don't report the informant, then that mosque shows itself to be protective of that terrorist and a very likely place to bait terrorist wannabes. In light of the history of terrorism & mosques, I wish all mosques were tested!

If Islamists, their fellow travelers & useful idiots succeed in prohibiting this technique, many terrorist wannabes will be able to hook up unfettered with real deal terrorist recruiters in mosques, and be able to hatch their deadly plots.

Concerning this specific case you cite, Monteilh seems to have been, at least, working both sides - if not an Islamist double agent from the start: "Monteilh... had worked as a prison {Muslim} chaplain before he was incarcerated." If he is not credible in his original claims against the terrorist wannabe, he is not credible in his newer charges against FBI methods and techniques.

But, can we afford to say that because the fight against International Islamic Radicals is a long, dirty and convoluted struggle (as was the fight against International Communism) that will require us to match our adversaries deceptions or lose, it is not worth winning?

Lastly, let me address the BS of the "Muslim Community" quoted in your article, as reflected in these excerpts:

"The community feels betrayed," said Shakeel Syed, executive director of the Islamic Shura Council of Southern California, an umbrella group of more than 75 mosques.
What about the betrayal felt by Americans, who allowed Muslims in their country, afforded them more freedoms then non-Muslims would be allowed in any Muslim country, and then was paid back by many "Muslim Communities" by either sheltering terrorists or refusing cooperation in apprehending them?
As worshipers milled around outside, they said they support the FBI's role in fighting terrorism but feel betrayed by the infiltration of their sacred place.
Since terrorist plots have repeatedly been hatched in "their sacred place{s}" and they don't cooperated with that infiltration their support is a sham.
"The FBI wants to treat the Muslim community as a partner while investigating us behind our backs,'' said Kurdi, the Loyola student.” They can't have it both ways."
The Muslims can't have it both ways. They can't claim to want to honest & cooperative partners unless they welcome police to weed out the terrorist and terrorist wannabes they don't seem to have the ability or desire to weed out themselves. They should welcome the test of their cooperation as an opportunity to prove themselves.

Time for them to be forced to choose sides: The informant issue will show which side they are on.

61 posted on 12/22/2010 3:00:25 PM PST by drpix
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