Posted on 12/20/2010 4:22:05 AM PST by Carbonsteel
We want to close the borders? Fine. Do that. Throw out those who have recently arrived or snuck across the borders in strawberry trucks? Fine, do that. Throw out criminal convicted aliens? Can’t argue with that.
But throwing out people who have been here for 10 or 20 years with kids and wives to raise who have committed no crime? Getting rid of people by the tens of thousands like Japanese Niesi in 1942?
We’re talking more than TEN MILLION PEOPLE.
That. ain’t. gonna. happen.
So, do you think illegal aliens deserve the same rights and privileges as citizens of the U.S.?
I’ll go google Ossian - you are very informed. Before I go do that though, am I going to find the term “criminal invader”? Or is that a term you decided to use?
I don’t care how long they’ve been here. They can raise their kids in their own country.
Pleading for their lives?
Are they subject to summary execution?
If we determine that they aren’t here legally can we deport them?
“But throwing out people who have been here for 10 or 20 years with kids and wives to raise who have committed no crime? “
No crime? What part of illegal alien don’t you get?
This notion that we need to somehow accept things we disagree with is quite problematic. Can you make clear what we should and should not accept from the infinite multitude of things that people who "don't talk and think" like we do actually believe and act upon?
For instance, what if they don't buy into that whole "US Constitution" thingy? Is that alright with you? Should Conservatives accept that? Or what about all of our other laws? They don't believe in immigration laws, should we accept their not following any of the other laws based on our desire to be "tolerant?"
Should illegal aliens from any country around the world be allowed to do public business in their own language regardless of financial cost and profound misunderstandings? Should Conservatives accept that?
Black people? Criminal invaders?
When was that?
So, do you think illegal aliens deserve the same rights and privileges as citizens of the U.S.?>>
In terms of the government’s treatment of these people? Yes. A little thing called the 14th Amendment requires it. And I’m not talking just about the citizen-birth clause, but rather the “due process” clause. We don’t have untermenschen in America—other than the unborn, of course, but that’s going to change one day.
18 minutes - Battle of San Jacinto.
Bull Conner was a Democrat, BTW.
You may want to familiarize yourself with, oh, the history of the United States from Reconstruction up to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Every black person not actually working for his old master at his old job in 1866 was considered a criminal in southern states. And even in the north, an entire structure was built to “keep them out of the neighborhood” because the presumption was that if they were in a rich neighborhood without being someone’s house servant they were “up to no good.” Hence, a “criminal invader.”
Bull Conner was a Democrat, BTW.
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I’m aware of that, which makes me ask why anyone wants to say stuff that sounds like him.
It's unusual for a Conservative to invoke his name because it just reinforces the false impression that he was a Republican. It's just a curious choice of examples on this particular forum.
For instance, what if they don’t buy into that whole “US Constitution” thingy? Is that alright with you? Should Conservatives accept that?>>
Depends. If they “don’t buy into it” by not voting, that’s fine by me. If they “don’t buy into it” by not paying taxes that’s not fine. If they “don’t buy into it” by protesting ineffectively or advocating nonsense that never actually becomes law, that’s fine with me. If they “don’t buy into it” by shooting cops, that’s “not okay by me.”
People are perfectly free to “not buy into the constitution thingy.” (A lot of people right here on FR seem to have no problem with that!—not as many as on DU, but enough to be noticable). It’s HOW they “not buy into it” that’s a problem.
But I will not presume that an entire people “will not buy into the Constitution.” There’s a term for that and it’s not pretty.
Maybe more Republicans need to invoke his name. Maybe it would give us a slightly less ugly edge to those in the middle we want to have on our side. I shudder to think what a non-far-right-winger would make of this thread. (And yes, I am as much a right winger as anybody here whether you agree with me on this or not).
You’re not actually answering the question. You are quite sly. Why should we Conservatives accept without resistance the beliefs and actions of those who don’t think and talk like us?
If they don’t believe in the Constitution then why should we Conservatives change our beliefs and behaviors?
You seem to want to bash us without providing any real rationale for it other than insults and liberal talking points. That is troll behavior.
Maybe you can de-fuse some skepticism here if you were to actually answer the questions rather than slyly evade them with sloppy sophistry.
Why don’t you do us a favor and go the F somewhere else. Your defense of illegals is right out of the La Raza playbook. Right now, I’d be happy to just deport your sorry arse.
It is a crime to “enter the country illegally.”
It is NOT a crime to enter the country lawfully and then overstay your visa, or to marry an American citizen and get divorced, to ask for asylum and not get it, to fail to fill out your immigration paperwork correctly. Or to live here for thirty years an think you’re a US Citizen because your mom was a citizen only to find that you were born before she was 21, so too bad, so sad. And it is CERTAINLY no crime to be 18 years old, to have been here since you were 1, and you were brought here before you could talk.
There are a ton of people who are “out of status” who are not “criminals.” Not everybody out of status is a drug dealer in the back of a tire truck. Of course, that may not fit the picture. Well, maybe it’s time to expand the picture a little bit.
“In terms of the government’s treatment of these people? Yes.”
At what point, in your opinion, should the U.S. gov’t enforce U.S. Law and stop immigrants from entering our country illegally and punish those who break U.S. law?
What message do you think is sent to illegal aliens when they are granted amnesty?
Wow. You're really not from around here, are you. Lurk and learn or your stay will be brief.
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