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RAF commander: our air force will be little better than Belgium’s
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 18 Dec 2010 | Andrew Gilligan

Posted on 12/19/2010 3:51:54 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

RAF commander: our air force will be little better than Belgium’s

The head of the RAF’s fighter and bomber force has said that drastic cuts in the Government’s defence review “worry the hell out of me” and would leave the Air Force only “slightly above Belgium” in squadron numbers.

By Andrew Gilligan

Air Vice-Marshal Greg Bagwell, commander of the RAF’s No 1 Group, which controls all Britain’s fast jet combat aircraft, said that Britain was likely to end up with only six fighter and bomber squadrons, half its current number.

He warned: “That might not be quite enough.”

Air Vice-Marshal Bagwell’s remarks, in a briefing last week to Defense News, a trade journal, are among the most outspoken by any senior RAF commander.

He warned that even the reductions that have been publicly announced — from 12 fast-jet squadrons to eight — would leave the RAF only “just about” able to do its current tasks, with no leeway for the unexpected.

“Am I happy to be down at that number [eight squadrons] next April? No, it worries the hell out of me,” he said. “I can just about do Operation Herrick [Afghanistan], and the QRAs [air defence operations]. Can I do other things? Yes, but it is at risk.”

In the medium-term, over the next seven to 10 years, Air Vice-Marshal Bagwell said, the RAF “will be a six-squadron world; that’s what’s on the books”. He said he expected there to be five squadrons of Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft and just one of the Harrier’s long-term replacement, the Joint Strike Fighter. “I expect a single [JSF] squadron in 2020 and that’s it,” he said.

Asked whether this left the RAF on

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aerospace; britain; jsf; raf; ungland

16 GR9 Harriers, flying in formation over Britain.

Photo: EPA/JAMIE HUNTER/HANDOUT

1 posted on 12/19/2010 3:52:00 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Dead Island continues it’s descent into Islamic hell...


2 posted on 12/19/2010 3:59:19 AM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki; All

It’s gun control all over again....the dark side is disarming the good guys....

...for a reason.


3 posted on 12/19/2010 4:06:55 AM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

“Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few”...

History repeating itself???


4 posted on 12/19/2010 4:17:24 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Well, you know Britain uses large sums on things like muslim-correct toilets in welfare housing given to muslims, and muslim-adapted health services which introduces various hygiene and pestilence problems and so on.

Of course there’s nothing left for the military. When the Brits find out they should go to war next, it will probably be with suicide bombers, against their neighbours.


5 posted on 12/19/2010 4:20:21 AM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Hardraade

They might as well kiss the Fauklands good-by...


6 posted on 12/19/2010 5:36:50 AM PST by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Russ
They might as well kiss the Fauklands good-by...


View RAF Mt. Pleasant, Falkland Islands Map

Care to speculate what the Brits have in those hangers?

7 posted on 12/19/2010 6:07:15 AM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Perhaps Great Britain is getting rid of their military hardware so when it devolves into Great Muzzyland the head mooslimes won’t have a lot of military power.


8 posted on 12/19/2010 6:15:24 AM PST by CPOSharky (They ain't illegals. They're just ungegistered democrats.)
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To: Hardraade

When the Brits find out they should go to war next, it will probably be with suicide bombers, against their neighbours.

Who will belong to a different sect...


9 posted on 12/19/2010 6:25:43 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine .. now it is your turn..)
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To: ASA Vet

Since they’re retiring so much of their airforce, and ALL of the carrier fixed wing aircraft, they may have to fly those hangars into combat. Or convert them to private uses, such as a U-Store or some such...........sheep pens?


10 posted on 12/19/2010 7:27:46 AM PST by biggerten (Love you, Mom.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Put into perspective, the RAF will be inferior to the combined strength of the U.S. Naval Reserve.


11 posted on 12/19/2010 7:33:42 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: biggerten

Maybe we should wait to see if the Brit’s retire or remove the flight of Eurofighters presently at RAF Mt. Pleasant before assuming their hangers will have to fly missions.


12 posted on 12/19/2010 7:37:45 AM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: ASA Vet
Care to speculate what the Brits have in those hangars?


According to wiki, not a lot - 4 fighter/bombers, 2 transports and 2 helicopters -

Currently based at Mount Pleasant are No. 1435 Flight with 4 Eurofighter Typhoons, No. 1312 Flight, with a single VC-10 tanker and one Hercules C130, as well as No.1564 Flight (since November 2007) with 2 Sea King helicopters maintained by SKIOS (Sea King Integrated Operational Support), an aeronautical engineering collaboration between AgustaWestland and VT Aerospace. There are also 2 Sikorsky S-61 civilian Helicopters run by British International Helicopters Limited (Brintel). Ground units include No 7, 303, and 751 Signals Units and a Rapier detachment from the Royal Artillery.

I think a lot of those buildings are probably storage for equipment for ground troops.

13 posted on 12/19/2010 7:38:11 AM PST by az_gila
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To: SampleMan

I suspect the US Reserve forces will be a lot smaller in the future.


14 posted on 12/19/2010 7:40:56 AM PST by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Argentina listo....


15 posted on 12/19/2010 8:06:27 AM PST by onedoug
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To: ASA Vet

Looks like what is left of the RAF could be accommodated in the Falklands in HAS.


16 posted on 12/19/2010 8:35:23 AM PST by sitkaspruce
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To: stevie_d_64
“Never in the field of human conflict has so much been owed by so many to so few”...

The best RAF pilots during the Battle of Britain were Polish.

17 posted on 12/19/2010 8:36:51 AM PST by dfwgator (Welcome to the Gator Nation Will Muschamp)
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To: ASA Vet

The hangars (hardened aircraft shelters) are there for a re-enforcement plan. There are only four fighter aircraft deployed in the Falklands at anyone time. This has been the case since the late 1980s. From 1987 four F-4 Phantoms, which were replaced by four Tornado F3s, which were replaced by four Typhoons.


18 posted on 12/20/2010 3:55:25 PM PST by Tommyjo
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To: sukhoi-30mki
What bathos! To think that the few who did so much for so many have been reduced to this.

The Belgians can't even shoot down swamp gas/the planet Venus/weather balloons when they invade their airspace


19 posted on 12/20/2010 4:02:42 PM PST by InternetTuffGuy
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