Posted on 12/17/2010 9:51:53 PM PST by Orange1998
A dash cam video from the officer who shot and killed Native American woodcarver John T. Williams was released Friday, showing Williams ambling slowly across the street in a crosswalk before the officer opens fire.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=956_1292627716
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He sure did. He could have easily talked to the fellow on the street too and assessed his attitude without putting himself in much danger at all. There was no reason to begin his contact shouting orders at him.
Using a fairly high end graphics card and freezing the frame, I'm very sure it was his service weapon in hand as he exited the vehicle..
It appears this guy literally went after the wood carver, weapon in hand after an old guy who was not threatening a soul...And shot him to death....Multiple times...
One second he's walking along carving a piece of wood, the next second gasping for his last bit of air...
Just brutal...
Where they getting these paranoid, trigger happy cops?
This is becoming really ugly...
"The shooting might have been justified, it might not have been." - IrishCatholic
Well that covers everybody
Congratulations! ;^)
Especially considering that everyone is always committing a crime with all the laws that we have.
Yea, it’s hard. Sometimes I can reach people and they start to think. Sometimes, no, they continue to be sponges absorbing whatever drifts their way.
Good luck.
>Just brutal...
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>This is becoming really ugly...
It is my belief that this will become MUCH more widespread in the near future.
>Where they getting these paranoid, trigger happy cops?
I think they are being purposely trained this way. Part of the issue is that the police have been given a “free-pass” on much illegal activity.
The 4th Amendment, for example, states that it is the *warrant* itself which, particularly describing the person/place to be searched or things to be seized, are to be issued on “probable cause.” The judiciary however, believing itself to be above the Constitution in authority, has ruled that the police may search and seize on their own “reasonable suspicion” of ‘probable cause.’ This sort of reasoning, as you can see, completely circumvents the requirement for a warrant as prescribed by the 4th amendment.
The police, like most people, will never admit that their power is illegitimate and will fight violently to preserve it.
The Judiciary who are granted more illegitimate power by declaring that the law is whatever they say it is will never admit to being bound by the constitution or even mere law: they are above it and declare what the law is and is not. And so forth.
This is one reason that I can have more respect for Mexico’s government than the US Government: the Mexican government does not pretend that they are not corrupt, they do not pretend there are places that they are thoroughly ill-equipped to go [i.e. battling the drug-cartels], and they do not pretend that these are not problems.
If I was a betting man, I would bet this is not the first time these two crossed paths. When you see the cop leave his car with weapon drawn, you can see a determination in his face, he is about to get even with someone who has disrespected him and his authority somewhere in the past. The victim was known to hangout downtown on the street, this is evidently the cops beat. He sees the guy walking with a knife and it hits him, now is my time to show him who’s boss. He has a knife and I can always claim self defense, he just forgot about the camera.
In spite of what you’ve been told arrogance is not a sign of intelligence. lol
Interesting point...
However, you know as well as I, few Americans capable of critical thought, trust not a word this government says anymore. They've spent their "Political capital" lost all respect and are now morally bankrupt.
That might be a really good scenario...
It has been suggested that we don't know all the facts and a prior complaint would be one that might be a mitigating factor. But an article was posted that covered this story and no mention of a complaint was made. Given the potential volatility this shooting might create it doesn't seem likely that the Chief of Police would have failed to mention something like that to the press if it had occurred.
Though not certain it would also seem likely that Mr. Williams would have acted more warily of an approaching police car if he had just done something that might result in a call to the police on him. He appeared to be completely preoccupied with his whittling as he crossed the street.
*Ping*
Sigh…
It isn’t arrogance, it is strained patience.
I’ll try once and then move on. As it seems you are determined to remain a sponge.
Here’s the first post. It is number #21:
“The video doesn’t show anything. Although that doesn’t seem to slow down anyone’s opinion here.
What I would like to see is the dash cams from the next two responding cars. When will they release those?
The shooting might have been justified, it might not have been. This link has, at least, some information:
http://www.seattlepi.com/local/426053_williams021.html”;
The post is neither an indictment of the officer nor a defense. Although, the need for facts seems to incense you for some reason. The fact I didn’t label the cop a murderer to start, must mean that I am automatically taking his side. Says who? What about wanting to see the next two cop car videos? What would they show? The actual scene of the shooting? Why would anyone want to see that? People who want facts?
Only those who operate with the same stimulus and response reactions as a sponge don’t want more facts. The first group of posters didn’t seem to require any facts but ‘knew’ what had happened. The video doesn’t confirm anything one way or another. You apparently ‘know’ exactly what happened too.
The reason I put a link in there, which no one else did as of that time, was to give more on the story as a start. Not everyone nationwide knows about the incident. By reading the link people could get more information. I didn’t claim it was a comprehensive link either, “This link has, at least, some information”. But the link was a start to people who aren’t sponges to look into the story more, rather than simply believe what they were told by the gossip of others.
Post 133 was to a poster to confirm exactly that. He had more info but didn’t put it up there initially. He added nothing to indicate he wasn’t a sponge and it didn’t take any effort at all to show he did know more. When he did, maybe he figured in the future he could start off that way. He also mischaracterized what I posted in #21 along with you.
Post 237 in context is a lie:
“ Who says anything about justifying anything? Think, man, think.
“The shooting might have been justified, it might not have been.” - IrishCatholic
That was a reservation, not an endorsement. An honest reading of context would show that. Especially since it was referenced to in both post 133 and 136 that this is about not taking things at face value, and thinking through things to find a rational basis for an opinion.
Now you pop up at post 178 with the intro:
“I didn’t see anything in that article that justifies the shooting. And this...”
I wasn’t trying to use the link to justify the shooting. For all I know the shooting is entirely the officer’s fault. But to get there I will need facts which apparently you don’t need or want. Which starts the back and forth on posts 178, 180, 185, your lie at 237, my purposeful ignoring of it indicating you got it (when I knew you didn’t, but hoped you would see it when I mocked you, that I wasn’t endorsing or condemning) at 324. Then finally at 328 and 331 where all this dribbled to a stop.
The difference between you, a conservative sponge, and someone who is a liberal sponge, is the current that drifts by. Take any topic. Global warming is a good one. Liberals hear that the earth is warming and that man is doing it. They don’t think. They simply absorb and buy a Smart car or vote for the person that will promote windmills and solar and crush coal. Then they wonder why they can’t afford to heat their home or why gas is almost $4 a gallon. They don’t look into anything. They don’t question any of their own assumptions. They don’t examine their own beliefs.
Here on FR we mock them. Yet, there are plenty of sponges here too. They just have different assumptions. Ones that most of us agree with, but when it comes to this, you can see the difference between sponges and people who think.
Don’t be a sponge. Nothing I posted takes a stand on the shooting as I don’t have all the facts. What seems to offend you, and others, is that I pointed out they were necessary at all. That isn’t arrogance. It is strained patience. I don’t claim anything other than the need for facts. If you can’t handle that, well, you started posting to me, I didn’t to you. I hope you stop being a sponge. You will find more satisfaction in your opinions if you can actually back them up.
That would be about the dumbest thing you could do. An armed citizen, minding his own business, might respond with lethal force to someone assaulting them from behind. And be completely justified. How about observing the man and approaching him, with caution of course, and establishing verbal contact with him to assess his state of mind? Is basic observation no longer a part of police work? Or community relations or common sense?
That is entirely an assumption on your part which turned out not to be true. There were other sources of additional information that they had availed themselves of as I had. Soak that up.
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It was also in the post you just got:
“Post 133 was to a poster to confirm exactly that. He had more info but didn’t put it up there initially. He added nothing to indicate he wasn’t a sponge and it didn’t take any effort at all to show he did know more. When he did, maybe he figured in the future he could start off that way. He also mischaracterized what I posted in #21 along with you.
Good luck. God be with you.
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