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To: Danae
When you go outside of established bureaucracy, yes, they make it difficult. It was probably quite easy for you to get your own COLB, but since they want to go with the computer generated COLBs (easier, cheaper) they have made it difficult to get copies of the originals. I've seen other bureaucracies do the same on many issue - if it's not cookie cutter easy, they don't want to do it. If this is the only time you've had to go up the chain of authority to get a bureaucratic mess straightened out, you're lucky and I salute you. I agree, and have stated in my previous posts, Hawaii does sound like it has a particularly messy operation.

As for "They registered THOUSANDS of babies between 1959 and some time in the 70’s and or 80’s if not LONGER, who were born overseas!!! " do you have proof for that? If so, please link or cite. Or is it just speculation? The DOH site says the late "Hawaiian birth" program ran from 1911 to 1972.

699 posted on 12/19/2010 10:14:41 AM PST by sometime lurker
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To: sometime lurker

BDZ has extensive information on that. It was once a part of Hawaii’s website for the HDOH, the procedure for filing a “Late” form. Of course they scrubbed that from the internet back in 2008. I believe that the ObamaFile might have the original pages.

However, look these up if you can still find them: Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.

“If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.) In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).”

~ http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/clearing-the-smoke-june10/

Read this entire article. Then re-read it. This article did not create my perceptions with regard to the State of Hawaii. It confirmed my EXPERIENCE of Hawaii.

We knew this years ago, but no one was listening. Shoot, the whole mockery operation against any constitutionalist and or person fighting for the rule of law has been so effective, even reasonable and intelligent people cannot see past the smokescreen of it.

One day these truths will be obvious. Hawaii and Obama can’t cover it all up forever. One day it will blow up and it will be one of the largest scandals to EVER rock the United States. Mark my words.


700 posted on 12/19/2010 10:33:14 AM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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To: sometime lurker

I forgot to address something. How is ordering a copy of my Original Long Form going outside normal Bureaucracy??? Seriously, there are lots of reasons to need a copyu, and Hawaii has an ESTABLISHED procedure for doing so. It is literally trashing its own procedures! They let requests sit for MONTHS on end in the office of Onaka HIMSELF rather than follow their own State Law MANDATED procedures! WTF!? That is literally my experience of it.

Requesting the documents that I have a legal RIGHT to is NOT going outside any procedure. It is a NORMAL function of the Department.

Or it was... Until Obama came along with his late filed Birth Records which ALSO expose decades of Welfare and Citizenship fraud on the part of the State of Hawaii! THEN it becomes somehow abnormal???

Come on give me a break. That is at best asinine.


701 posted on 12/19/2010 10:38:32 AM PST by Danae (Anail nathrach, orth' bhais's bethad, do chel denmha)
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