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To: GeronL

I’m not sure how this state of affairs happened — I’ve voted in every election since I was eighteen, and I don’t remember the establishment of an apartheid state Mexican residents ever being on the ballot. But it happened on my parents’ and my watch. I should have screamed louder. So mea culpa.

What I don’t understand is the continued hostility of my fellow Americans. Why isn’t any of your invective reserved for the invaders? And why isn’t your impulse to help us rather than deride us?

The Federal Government (YOUR government, I don’t care what state you live in... so, in fact, YOU) is just as responsible as California for the Mexican colonization of a sovereign American state. They just chose to invade us first, not Rhode Island or Kansas or Georgia. Do you think your state would have reacted any differently?

When the Twin Towers fell, we were all New Yorkers. We didn’t get mad at New Yorkers for causing all this trouble and allowing terrorists to invade our air space, murder thousands, and wreak havoc. But in the case of California, the Federal government has failed utterly in its first and most important charge, protecting Americans on American soil from foreign invasion. And it’s your responsibility too, Rhode Island and Kansas and Georgia. You aren’t living in a sovereign country anymore. Wishing us out of the union because we’re the Mexican invasion Ground Zero so don’t have to do anything about it doesn’t change the fact that you’ve lost YOUR country, too.

So you just sit back and snark about “Kalipornia” while we’ve been beaten, humiliated, and driven out of our homes. What would you have done differently? And what would you do about it now? I’d really like to know.


32 posted on 12/15/2010 1:17:27 PM PST by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink

“When in the course of Human Events ...”


33 posted on 12/15/2010 1:22:19 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Palin 2012: don't retreat, just reload)
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To: Blue Ink

You make excellent points.

We have de facto open borders and it has been that way for a long time while the political elite in both parties has winked and nodded at the invasion, which makes them traitors in my book.

However, don’t be so hard on the rest of America, because the politicians in the middle of the country are basically saving us from a wholesale amnesty and a complete sell out of our national sovereignty and territorial integrity.

The sad thing is it might be too late for America.

Once the liberals have finished destroying California, all the illegals will flock like bandits to every other part of the US and dilute and change the demographics forever. Because once the demographics change to the point where both parties have to pander to the Mexican fascists and Latino lobbies, the floodgates will be wide open and instead of de facto open borders we will have de jure open borders.

We will become Norte Mexico and we have nobody to blame but ourselves when we become a corrupt, 3rd world hellhole.

Guess what? There is no place for us to go and colonize.

Americans don’t have the luxury of colonizing by the millions like the illegals do, because if we did do it, the international outcry would be fierce and they WILL shoot us at the border.

In the final analysis, you are right. We have handed our country over to foreign criminals on a silver platter in the name of diversity, political correctness and cheap labor.

But don’t worry, we got troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, South Korea, Germany and Japan to save them from the foreign hordes.


42 posted on 12/15/2010 1:46:54 PM PST by radpolis (Liberals: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy)
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To: Blue Ink

Are you nuts?
Did you not follow the election last month and notice how the people of Kalipornia voted? Who they elected?
And you want sympathy?

Yikes..


59 posted on 12/15/2010 2:42:10 PM PST by Lancey Howard (Pray for 3/5.)
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To: Blue Ink
What I don’t understand is the continued hostility of my fellow Americans. Why isn’t any of your invective reserved for the invaders? And why isn’t your impulse to help us rather than deride us?

Because you sleep in a bed of your own making. For 30 years illegals have been invading California in vast numbers while businesses and Americans leave. Your instinct has been to allow and encourage reconquista while voting for the most liberal politicians you can find. I honestly don't care what happens to California or Californians. I just don't want them to leave the state and go ruin somewhere else.

They just chose to invade us first, not Rhode Island or Kansas or Georgia. Do you think your state would have reacted any differently?

Three words: Arizona's Immigration Law.

And it’s your responsibility too, Rhode Island and Kansas and Georgia. You aren’t living in a sovereign country anymore. Wishing us out of the union because we’re the Mexican invasion Ground Zero so don’t have to do anything about it doesn’t change the fact that you’ve lost YOUR country, too.

There's still hope for us if we quarantine you.

What would you have done differently? And what would you do about it now? I’d really like to know. Build a wall, militarize the border, deport them all, make English the law of the land.
60 posted on 12/15/2010 2:43:57 PM PST by Yet_Again
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To: Blue Ink
Thank you, excellent feedback.

As easterners we work and stay in Oregon and California (N) routinely, and interact with the working, and admittedly predominantly white, population. My impression, developed over about seven years, is this:

There are many like you in California, honest conservative Americans who believe in productivity and enterprise, along with the conscious middle class values of family, community, and individual assumption of responsibility, eschewing the greed of the Hollywood types, and understanding (deeply) the significance of these postures with respect to individual freedom and dignity.

BUT that is no longer the majority of the voting population, as illustrated by Barbara Boxer, Jerry Brown, Feinstein, etc. In complex systems there is frequently a threshold of positive feedback (negative results in this case) where the system becomes unstable and disintegrates, and CA may indeed be there.

In OR, and maybe WA, but little experience there, I see the situation as profoundly different. There are truly many genuinely honest conservative (in the sense cited above) people in OR, probably a majority, but they are really really naive. That is, in their isolated and geographically precious womb they still think of the US government as the fuzzy mother and apple pie entity it appeared to be in decades past. (When those of us with any savvy at all know that we are dealing now with a ruthless, ugly meg-evil, ala Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and a genuinely criminal bunch of Senators.) Re-election of Patty Murray (WA), just a stupid female in tennis shoes supports this naivete view.

In our vision, California really has transformed into a majority of what we call structural leftists. That is, people who really are blinded into, and actively pursue, government dependence, without any consciousness or recognition at all of the deep ramifications of individual responsibility, i.e. freedom. (Jaynes, incidentally, analyzed such mindless populations as "Bicamerals.")

Unfortunately you are right, even here on FR, there are those who will just generalize the plight of CA across its constituency. I know for a fact there are many there who do understand the situation, but again it may be beyond correction. Hopefully that is not the case for America in general.

Of course good luck in getting the "Republican Party DC establishment" to face any analysis or courage which would correct us. Carly Fiorina was supported because it was just "cool" in CA to have a woman.

Johnny Suntrade

67 posted on 12/15/2010 3:27:10 PM PST by jnsun (The Left: the need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer.)
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To: Blue Ink

“And why isn’t your impulse to help us rather than deride us?”

I’m calling for the 1st Marine Division to line up shoulder-to-shoulder, march north from Camp Pendleton and clean up your state. No derision on my part. I’m offering a solution.

If that’s too extreme, wait till we take back the presidency and congress in 2012 - which we will - and send in a division of federal auditors, lawyers and armed federal agents to arrest every California eco-fascist and ship them one-way to North Korea.

You choose. Either way works.


78 posted on 12/15/2010 6:01:24 PM PST by sergeantdave
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