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To: butterdezillion

“Do we really want brigade commanders making lawful combat deployment orders to foreign countries totally independent of the POTUS?”
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LOL! You’ve made this silly leap several times even though it is completely unsupported by anything that Judge Lind said. What she said was that the legality of an order from a superior to an inferior can be determined without reference to a determination of whether the President is eligible.

That bears no logical connection to your repeated hypothetical about brigade commanders initiating invasions.


801 posted on 12/15/2010 2:48:06 PM PST by BigGuy22
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To: BigGuy22

Actually, I find Butterdezillion’s logic quite compelling and simple to follow:

If the very start of a command structure is tainted, the downstream orders are naturally tainted as well. Illegitimate, in the eyes of Joe America.

I may be a simple man, admittedly not fluent in the US military justice, but I’ve argued that the actual military “order regulations” are beside the point. Lakin knew he’d lose. He is sacrificing himself in order to draw attention to the miserable spectacle that is our current situation. There are posters more well-versed than I who can testify to what makes an order legitimate or not; from the perspective of regular folks, however, the natural injustice of taking orders of an Usurper (a man who hates America, no less!), is enough to sound warning bells in the hearts of millions.

Specifically though, for a judge to rule that whether or not the Constitutionally-vested powers a President holds are not intrinsicly tied to a deployment order’s legitimacy, is ridiculous. If not actually hard-coded into military law (a fact of which I’m admittedly ignorant), it certainly doesn’t pass the laugh test.

Let’s say tonight that I declare myself to be the electoral winner of the 2008 election. I haven’t been certified, or sworn in, or... well, anything (I do have a valid birth certificate, however). Why mustn’t our Armed Forced listen to my command, when I turn on a ham radio and order them to turn North Korea into a parking lot by dawn?

I’m not the legitimate president, of course. And neither is King O. And that is why Colonel Lakin deserves are utmost respect for what he has endured for our Constitution. Not for a President, to whom no man, citizen or solder swears an oath of fealty. America is an Idea, based on Liberty and the Rule of Law. If you start living like the law doesn’t matter, than what the hell are we defending, anyway?


863 posted on 12/15/2010 6:38:33 PM PST by mills044 (Don't Tread on Me)
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