Posted on 12/14/2010 9:25:59 AM PST by Smokeyblue
Well...God is in charge.
Heavenly Father does hear, and has heard, the thousands upon thousands of prayers of the faithful who are desperately concerned about the sanctity of our Constitution, the rule of law, and ultimately Western Civilization. There are too many righteous people in this nation for Him to abandon us.
We may not have justice with regard to Obama’s eligibility. What is at stake here is far larger than merely Obama or Lakin. They may be but bit actors in a larger play. Ultimately God will not abandon the righteous in this nation.
That should have read, “...but that NOT-guilty plea...”
I can be very stupid, I joined the Marines.
He was denied the ability to request the documents that would prove his case against the “President of the United States”, those documents are pivotal to his reasonings for disobey his movement orders.
Missing Movement or desertion in time of war is a Capital Offence and he can be executed for what he has done, it also means and no one has paid attention to this fact, that even a guilty plea by him requires an appeal review because it is a capital offense.
During such a review if the court did anything like say denying his right to discovery or preventing him from calling witnesses in his defense, the judgement of the Court Martial can be set aside, and the case retried, only this time Lakin will be allowed to subpoena Obama’s Birth certificate, or the military will just let him go.
That would include my eldest, Michael.
He might not like that so well. He whacks bad guys that can do a lot worse than spit.
If you try to spit on him, he might just figure you for a bad guy.
I'd not recommend it.
It’s not for military officers to decide. If our officers started refusing orders based on political whim or conspiracy theory, we’d have a hell of a mess. And, yes, it is a conspiracy theory. Obama was elected and sworn into office. Like it or not, until and unless found guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors and removed from office he IS the President of the United States and Commander-in-chief of our military.
"Lakin refused to deploy to Afghanistan this summer because he maintains that if Obama is not legally eligible to be commander-in-chief and therefore any orders he issues would be unlawful.
Lakin admitted he disobeyed orders to report to superior officers.
"But my orders to Fort Campbell were for the purposes of deployment," he said, arguing since those deployment orders were illegitimate, he was justified in not following them."
Thank you for understanding me. It’s a really, really sad day.
You know, I always thought I would have been able to sit at the cross and be with Jesus when He died, but I’m learning that I wouldn’t have handled seeing Him mocked and spat upon very well.
Ever since I was a little girl, the stories I was told all ended happily. Somehow the good guys always win. That’s not reality. Someday. Just not here on earth.
Yesterday I watched “Valkyrie”. I knew how it ended even before it started and yet it still hit me between the eyeballs to see all those men who risked so much be executed for trying to save the German nation from a madman. We look down our noses at the German people and wonder how they could stand by and accept what they did with no moral outrage. How could so many people be so wrong?
They were just following orders.
I need to go work. The sun will come up tomorrow. I knew this day was coming, but it still just feels like the world is dead.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Obama’s eligibility is not relevant to the orders of Lakin’s superior commissioned officers. His superior officers were commissioned under Bush and their commissions have the full force and effect of law (Title 10, specifically) until they receive a new commission or separate from the military.
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Document Provided by the American Patriot Foundation safeguardourconstitution.com
Lakin timeline of concern of CinC’s Constitutional eligibility:
OCT/NOV/DEC 2008
• October was looking at volunteering to deploy with my old unit that was deploying to Iraq.
Started to learn more about the issues and concerns. Stopped my efforts to volunteer to deploy.
JAN/FEB/MAR 2009
• Sought out opinions from supervisors, friends and family.
• Called Legal Assistance at Aberdeen Proving Grounds. They returned my call. I discussed with some staff member. He stated he needed to research a little and would call me back.
I called at least 1-2x/per week for about 3 weeks with leaving messages on voice mail or not getting an answer.
• Proceeded to submit an Article 138 through my Company Commander against BHO. This was submitted at the end of March 2009.
• Received official reply 11 June 2009 from Company Commander. In conversing with him, he said I had the right to submit Congressional complaints.
APR
• 24 April submitted question to Sens Alexander and Corker, and Congressman Wamp.
MAY/JUNE/JUL 2009
• Sought further advice from friends.
• June Received email response from Senator Alexander’s staffer. Conversed with Congressman Wamp’s staffer (Steele) several times. Steele submitted complaint to Office of Military Legislative Affairs.
JUL 2009
• Change of jobs to work at the Pentagon
AUG/SEP/OCT/NOV
• Continued to dialogue with friends, leaders, supervisors regarding my concerns and seeking advice.
NOV 20, 2009
• Submitted Art. 138 against GEN Casey, Army Chief of Staff. Reply 11 DEC.
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/images/stories/documents/apf06-jagletter0717_001.pdf
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/images/stories/documents/apf03-lakintimelineofconcern.pdf
Key documents list - right margin here:
http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/who-is-ltc-terry-lakin.html
I don’t know how closely you have followed this case, or the many threads that have spawned on FR as a result. But, if you had done so, you would have noticed that ODH has provided accurate and cogent commentary and advice as it relates to the Manual for Courts Martial and the UCMJ. He has been proven right by every event thus far. Unlike some who pronounce judgment from their kitchen table, he has relied on his experience as an attorney and member of the military justice system.
He, as well as others of his ilk, have noted the folly of LTC Lakin’s quest since the very beginning and predicted quite accurately the apparent ending. Some have chosen not to listen and are now ranting uncontrollably when faced with the reality of the inevitable end to this fool’s errand.
Lakin was never going to get what he wanted. I think that his original civilian counsel knew this quite well, but chose to use Lakin in his ambition to gain fame and perhaps fortune. Lakin finally had the good sense to dump him and retain a competent civilian attorney who is doing his best for his client. Political protests belong in the political arena and should remain there, not in the military.
So, we should put this sordid affair behind us and work to defeat Obama at the polls. Or, better yet, get one or more states to require candidates for President to present certified proof of eligibility as a condition for appearing on the ballot.
You are now making an assumption.
I can’t and wont take that as anything remotely factual until it comes out that way in the court.
Jim Robinson is correct, as much as I hate to agree with it. He based his choice on reasonable doubt created by an as yet un-proven theory, which on its face can be called a conspiracy theory.
Personally I am certain that this conspiracy theory is correct, Obama is NOT a Natural Born citizen. But until some resolution comes out of SCOTUS regarding the legal meaning of Natural Born Citizen, Lakin had no legal basis upon which to make his choice. Not within the UCMJ which he must abide by. In hindsight, the UCMJ might not have the ability to decide this issue. It cannot rule based upon SCOTUS findings which have not yet been made, and it is looking like this case is un-appeal-able to SCOTUS as a mechanism by which to create such a ruleing.
But again, I do not know enough about the UCMJ or constitutional law at this level to even hazard a guess as to what I do not know. I just do not know what I do not know.
sigh.
Thank you for understanding me. It’s a really, really sad day.
You know, I always thought I would have been able to sit at the cross and be with Jesus when He died, but I’m learning that I wouldn’t have handled seeing Him mocked and spat upon very well.
Ever since I was a little girl, the stories I was told all ended happily. Somehow the good guys always win. That’s not reality. Someday. Just not here on earth.
Yesterday I watched “Valkyrie”. I knew how it ended even before it started and yet it still hit me between the eyeballs to see all those men who risked so much be executed for trying to save the German nation from a madman. We look down our noses at the German people and wonder how they could stand by and accept what they did with no moral outrage. How could so many people be so wrong?
They were just following orders.
I need to go work. The sun will come up tomorrow. I knew this day was coming, but it still just feels like the world is dead.
Yes, of course. I should have known. The top brass in the military is in on the conspiracy to keep the Kenyan born communist in the presidency. Thanks for waking me up.
Hey, soldiers, sailors. Forget about your orders. USMCOBRA says they’re unconstitutional and you don’t have to deploy!
Free beer for all!!
I agree. It’s not for someone like LTC Lakin to decide that. That’s why he asked his chain of command, and his elected representatives for assurances that his Commander in Chief was in fact Constitutionally qualified. He was either ignored, or they couldn’t answer in the affirmative.
Hey, DUmbie, check out JimRob’s post # 181.
You’ve already posted that *you* want to spit on the military. Too late to retract your words.
As an aside, I’ve noticed that psychopaths and bi-polars are glib talkers, and are able write pages, and pages, and pages, and pages, about nothing at all.
Making political protests while in uniform based on conspiracy theories is risky business.
213 posted on Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:15:53 PM by Jim Robinson
Lakin’s Article 138 Complaint would have been legitimate had it been based on a question of the legitimacy of BO’s Presidency pursuant to the NBC Eligibility Clause of the Constitution.
I agree that it was folly to refuse to deploy based on a theory that Lakin could not prove. Regarding the competency of Lakin’s lawyers, competent lawyers do not publicly state that their clients are guilty prior to trial unless they have entered into a plea bargain. Competent lawyers get their clients acquitted, i.e., they win. Competent lawyers do not lose cases by default.
You’re right.
Now you’re comparing our military to Nazis? Sheesh! This conspiracy nonsense has wiped out any common sense you may have been born with and completely taken over your senses.
Sheesh, Louise. I know life is hard, but wake up and smell the coffee!!
"But my orders to Fort Campbell were for the purposes of deployment," he said, arguing since those deployment orders were illegitimate, he was justified in not following them."
And that order for you to deploy to Afghanistan would not exist, if it did not originate from the top of the chain of command [Obama] for your superior(s) to give.
So?
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