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To: careyb
Greta says DOJ will fight it by calling it a tax... Legislators didn’t want to call it a tax for political reasons... But DOJ lawyers call it a tax in defending it...

If they argue that it is a tax, don't they then have to get around Article I Section 9 Clause 1 "but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States?"

How do they argue that this federal "tax" is "uniform" when the Nebraska "Cornhusker Kickback," the Florida medicare exemptions, and all the union waivers, make favored constituencies exempt from it?

-PJ

56 posted on 12/13/2010 9:30:40 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

“Greta says DOJ will fight it by calling it a tax... Legislators didn’t want to call it a tax for political reasons... But DOJ lawyers call it a tax in defending it...”

How can it be a tax when in 2018, high cost health care plans will be taxed at 40%. Can you tax a tax?

Also, if it is a tax, how can some favored groups claim an opt out on a religious exemption?

It also does not meets the requirements for uniformity because it was not created as an income tax and the law actually states that it is not a tax.


102 posted on 12/13/2010 9:40:38 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: Political Junkie Too; LucyT; STARWISE; Nachum
I think I heard Greta say that the judge did not buy the back-up excuse by the DOJ that the mandate was a tax. The judge couldn't have declared the mandate unconstitutional if he had bought the tax argument.

Also Greta said that since the tax will not be imposed for several years and no one has actually paid any healthcare mandated alleged tax then there would be no qualified plaintiff with standing until tax was paid. So the tax desperation move by the DOJ was rejected by this judge.

Also, I think Greta said that although there was no injunction, this ruling was actually a de facto injunction. No injunction was needed because the imposition of the unconstitutional mandate was not imminent (judges must consider this).

Also, Greta said the judge's ruling _only_ applies to VA and that VA escapes from Obamacare in this particular case partly because they only brought it on their own behalf and because they had a particular VA law making mandates to purchase insurance illegal.

108 posted on 12/13/2010 9:42:41 AM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Political Junkie Too
If they argue that it is a tax, don't they then have to get around Article I Section 9 Clause 1 "but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States?"

Worse than that. Remember that they approved the Senate version of the bill in order to get it done in reconciliation. Well now they run into the problem that all tax bills must start in the House. It wasn't a problem if it wasn't a tax. But if it is a tax, then the method of passage was unconstitutional.
134 posted on 12/13/2010 9:50:24 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
This is what pisses me off. Obama is acting like a King, deciding who must obey the law and who can get a waiver. And you need to kiss his a$$ for a waiver.

Things may have worked that way in Indonesia or Kenya, but not here.

340 posted on 12/14/2010 4:26:44 AM PST by PA-RIVER ( POTUS is a dishonest disrespectful POS who can't come clean with the Constitution)
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