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To: TigersEye; TXnMA; Niteflyr
"You are being obtuse. You refer me back to #382 when I answered that point in #356 and asked you where you came up with 100 miles off of the coast. Something you never answered."

I'm being obtuse?! When I acknowledged your answer in #356 here... Post 367 ("You, on the other hand, rely solely on Leyvas' guess that the event happened 35 miles off the coast."), it resulted in you posting an obscenity and telling me not to make "a fool of myself". So obviously, that wasn't the answer you liked. But let me quote your original answer exactly, "Leyvas estimated it to be about 35 miles off of the coast." So...is that it? Is that your source of data for the yellow marker on the illustration posted by Niteflyer?

With respect to answering "where I came up with 100 miles of the coast", I absolutely did answer that. I answered that in the same paragraph where I tried to clarify your 35 mile statement. I will quote myself..."That is my opinion supported by multiple sources of evidence, information, data...etc. All of which point to the very well supported conclusion that the contrail Layvas filmed came for UPS902." But I'll be more specific. The list includes the Cargo Law photo and its projected line of sight to the known groundtrack of UPS902; the Leyvas video shot over Long Beach harbor and its projected line of sight to known groundtrack of UPS902; the lat/long plots each minute of UPS902 taken from Flightaware; the photos of the UPS902 contrail taken by Rick Warren; the excellent photo compilations put together on Contrailscience and by TXnMA; descriptions of the event from Gil Leyvas, and finally, the triangulation of both lines of sight from the Cargo Law camera and Leyvas' own video, which intersect almost exactly at where the Flightaware data says UPS902 is at 5:16. All of which place the contrail at roughly 175 miles from Long Beach harbor at a Latitude of 32.81N and a Longitude of 120.97W.

Now, I'll ask again...what is the specific data source for the yellow marker on the illustration posted by Niteflyr? Are you going to stick with "Leyvas estimated it to be about 35 miles off of the coast."?

410 posted on 12/15/2010 11:45:25 PM PST by Rokke (www.therightreasons.net)
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To: Rokke

More whining about forum protocol. Take your distractions somewhere else. You have nothing of substance to add.


412 posted on 12/15/2010 11:53:03 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Rokke

So your contention is all the initial location reports were in error?
How could whoever made the graphic make an error like that? Over Catalina is over Catalina ...not northwest of Catalina...better go back and research the initial sighting reports...I didn’t hear of one “initial report” that claimed the event happened over Catalina as the flight track of UPS 902 obviously was. And if you add the south procedure turn by 902 it is getting even further away from the sighting location.


415 posted on 12/16/2010 12:09:31 AM PST by Niteflyr ("The number one goal in life is to parent yourself" Carl Jung)
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