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To: TigersEye
"Yes, they sure do. Both corkscrew plumes and wide plumes at the base are two of the easiest things to find in videos of missiles."

Wide plumes at the base look a lot wider when you are close enough to actually hear the rocket launch you are filming. Even then, and even in a rocket the size of a Delta 2, they aren't even close to as wide as the contrail in the Leyvas video (the earliest portions of which are actually over 100 miles away from LA). Nor does the trail of an actual missile look ANYTHING like what was filmed by Leyvas. Below is a picture of the missile from your video and a picture of what Leyvas filmed. Would someone please point out to me where the Leyvas video shows "corkscrewing"

The willful ignorance required to continue to argue that the contrail filmed by Leyvas was a missile launch is a testament to the kind of stubborness required to believe 99.9% of the conspiracies out there. But because it is kind of fascinating to watch it all play out, I'm going to feed the fire a bit. In a FR exclusive, I am going to reveal a test firing of what many conspiracy theorists believe was launched (probably by China) off the coast of California. Be sure to watch for the evident corkscrewing of this mystery missile. Nov 8 rocket launch solved

354 posted on 12/14/2010 6:41:32 PM PST by Rokke (www.therightreasons.net)
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To: Rokke; Dr. Brian Kopp
Would someone please point out to me where the Leyvas video shows "corkscrewing"

Everyone else sees it. Or are people showing us examples of wing vortices for nothing?

Wide plumes at the base look a lot wider when you are close enough to actually hear the rocket launch you are filming.

The question was about being bigger than the upper part of the plume.

As far as camera position for some odd reason NASA and the DoD like to get fairly close to take film and video of them and use much higher quality cameras. So do amateurs when they know they will be taping a launch. Consequently it's extremely difficult to find video of a missile launch taken from miles away.

Even then, and even in a rocket the size of a Delta 2, they aren't even close to as wide as the contrail in the Leyvas video ...

You are another one asking for video that exactly duplicates the Leyvas' video. As if all the same conditions exist whenever a missile is launched. I spent three hours viewing missile videos last night at the request of Dr. Brian Kopp and his response to my efforts was basically to brush me off as not worth responding to.

It's pretty clear that most of you are purposely trying to run your opposition in circles and deflect from any points made to you. Forgive me if after ten years on FR I find that to be a rather shopworn tactic.

(the earliest portions of which are actually over 100 miles away from LA).

That is entirely your opinion based on your own biased assumptions. Leyvas estimated it to be about 35 miles off of the coast. He was there, you weren't. He isn't claiming to know what it was, you are.

356 posted on 12/14/2010 7:20:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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