Posted on 12/12/2010 10:47:16 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
California contrail: Four conflicting eyewitness reports
One month after the KCBS video purporting to show a missile contrail off the coast of California went viral, a heated debate over what exactly created the contrail persists. Experts have offered convincing analysis supporting the theory that the contrail represents an SLBM launch, while internet pundits have assembled a formidable collection of evidence that the contrail was created by UPS flight 902. The debate is seemingly at an impasse, and it might be a good time to step back from the intense data analysis and review the basic facts of November 8, 2010.There are two known eyewitnesses who captured images of the contrail. Gil Leyvas is the helicopter camera man for KCBS in Los Angeles who videotaped the contrail and Rick Warren lives on Long Beach and photographed the contrail from his tenth story balcony. A 50 minute phone interview with Leyvas was obtained for this report and discussed further via email, and Warren was also contacted by email.
According to Leyvas, his video was obtained while filming a sunset view for a KCBS weather report. As he was filming, Leyvas noticed an object on the horizon that appeared to be climbing vertically out of the ocean, and he zoomed in on the object. He videotaped the contrail for a total of ten minutes and subsequently continued to view the contrail for an additional ten minutes. Leyvas maintains that the object itself that created the contrail only remained in view for two to three minutes. For 30 to 45 seconds, the object glowed brightly and then seemed to disappear from view. His initial impression was that the object was traveling east towards the coast. On reviewing the video later, he had the impression the object may instead have been heading away from the coast, towards the northwest.
The highly unusual appearance of the sunset contrail shown on TV and posted online, combined with Leyvas perception that the object creating the contrail only remained in view for two to three minutes, constitutes the primary basis upon which many observers believe the object was a Sub Launched Ballistic Missile.
Rick Warren wasnt sure what the object was that he was photographing on November 8th. I was shooting with a telephoto lens and looking through a viewfinder so I never really saw the separation of the object and the contrail until I looked at the photos, but Im sure that this whole thing lasted way too long to be a missile. I see lots of contrails from my 10th floor balcony but the difference in this one was that it seemed to be going up.
Having seen many contrails, what stood out for Warren was the vertical nature of the contrail, not that it looked like a missile exhaust plume. Some of his photos of the contrail were posted on the local ABC7 website, and were utilized by Mick West of Contrailscience.com to create a composite image of the flight progression of the object. The time stamps on Warrens photos were used to establish that the object creating the contrail remained in view for 4 minutes 43 seconds in Warrens photos. Based on altitude and position, the object first appeared in Leyvas video at least five minutes prior to Warrens photos. After seeing Wests analysis of the images, Warren says, Im now of the opinion that it was indeed a plane."
At this point, one of the most glaring discrepancies between these eyewitness accounts must be addressed. Most observers looking at Warrens images agree that the small dark object which appears at the top of each of his later photos is the same craft creating the plume that was seen in his earlier photos as well as that which was seen in Leyvas video.
If the object that created the contrail was still visible in Warrens photos, then the object itself is not likely to have been a missile. Solid fuel engines such as those used in an SLBM create an uninterrupted exhaust plume for two to three minutes, after which time the solid fuel is spent, and the missile is usually out of view.
On the other hand, when an airliner transitions from cold moist air to warmer drier air, the dew point changes and contrail formation decreases. In the case of USP902, the airliner would have been transitioning from moist cool air at altitude over the ocean to warmer, drier air over land. This could explain the contrail disappearing as the object moved farther east.
Mick West created a "chronological cut" of Leyvas video and posted it to YouTube. The transition from moist cool air over the ocean to warmer, drier air over land may have occurred at 1:17 to 1:20 of the chronological cut, which Warren referred to as the separation of the object and the contrail. When still images from Leyvas video are compared to the overlay of Warrens photos, there is a remarkable similarity and continuity between the two sets of images, providing a better time frame for Leyvas video within the context of Warrens time stamps:
When Leyvas was initially queried regarding these later photos, he replied,
the [Contrailscience composite] animation only shows the path the plume drifted and not anything in flight. The 30-45 seconds of video I captured in which I could see the object (the portion of the video showing the glow/flame of the object at its pinnacle) occurred 8-10 minutes prior to the animated images of the animation (if the time stamps are accurate). I have no way of telling if those time stamps are accurate since the raw video has no real-time time stamp associated with it. I can only go by an estimated time based on the time we launched out of John Wayne airport and the approximate time of our weather shot. My guess is that the time stamps are relatively close to the accurate time. However, what you are seeing in those images is the plume drifting and not anything in flight.
Leyvas still maintains the object creating the contrail is not visible in Warrens photos 8 to 10 minutes later:
The separate smaller trail that is separate from the main body of the plume and that was captured by Warren in his photos, which makes it seem as if the object continued in flight, appears in my video to possibly be the top portion of the plume that partly dissipates leaving a segment of the tip adrift - detached from the main body of the plume. (I highlight "possibly be" because during that portion of the video, I zoom in and out and pan off and back onto the plume, so I'm not sure if what we are seeing is a stage of separation like that of a missile or if it's the tip of the plume separating from the main portion). I did zoom into that portion to see if I could see a craft of some kind (at the time I thought that there was a chance the object was still making condensation/exhaust) but there was nothing there creating that segment. Had there been, I know I would have been able to see it with the high-powered lens I was using. Add to that - if it was traveling toward us, the closer it would come the easier it would be to see it, but there was nothing there. That's why I said it was merely the plume adrift and not anything continuously flying.
Though there was no time code associated with the raw footage I shot, you are still able to accurately time the footage from the moment I started the recording (as we departed John Wayne airport) to the final moments of the mystery missile story. When I play the video I can time the duration of the object in flight which was between 30-45 seconds of "Glow Time" - which is inclusive within, and at the end of the 2-3 minute estimated flight time from which the plume was visible at the horizon ... I can rely on the raw footage as it plays to gauge my estimated times since it plays back in real time on the player deck's control track timer.
There were also two unknown witnesses who captured images of the contrail, both anonymous posters on the image hosting website Flickr. A photographer on Hermosa Beach, north of Leyvas and Warren, uploaded a photo of the November 8 sunset and only subsequently realized he had captured the same contrail due to media reports. From his vantage point, without the setting sun directly back-lighting the contrail, it apparently appeared similar to the other contrails in his sunset photo.
Another anonymous photographer uploaded photos of clouds at sunset on November 8, and noticed a bright horizontal contrail that he subsequently associated with the media reports regarding the contrail. Notice that in the case of these latter two eyewitnesses, the first noted nothing unusual about the contrail until he read media reports about it, and the second viewed a horizontal, not vertical contrail.
Finally, the opinions of the known military experts must be taken into consideration. Several highly credible experts have stated their opinion that the contrail in question represented the launching of an SLBM.
A little further background from Leyvas might shed more light on the way the video was edited and presented to the public. Leyvas related that the video was taken during sweeps week in his TV market, and part of his job during sweeps week is to go out and look for and capture video of interest for sweeps week ratings. The video he captured of the contrail was subsequently heavily edited before being aired, and less than two minutes of the ten minutes of video has been seen by these experts. From the perspective of garnering sweeps week ratings, the footage was certainly successful.
It may be that the experts would modify their opinion based on viewing the entire footage. The footage is owned by the local CBS affiliate and nothing was found by the Department of Defense in reviewing the footage that would prevent its release to the public. According to Leyvas, it might still be available on their server. If that is the case, it should just be a matter of uploading the unedited ten minutes of video to YouTube to put an end to the debate.
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I just read WND’s article.
I don't see the deliberate fabrication you assert.
WND certainly leans toward the missile explanation.
However, at multiple points in their article they objectively present evidence for the UPS plane theory, too.
Your response to WND’s article, and to the editing they did on your submission, seems like a dramatic overreaction to me.
“Sorry but I still ain’t buying your airplane contrail explanation.”
So, can you name the missile that travels that slow?
None of the missile folks have explained to us why, when viewed from the north, does it travel to the left (east) if the missile is going northwest? If you are looking south, things moving northwest must move to your right.
I asked this several weeks ago and no one came forth with an answer. So I ask again.
Good. I was struck by your rather rabid attack on WND (be they a good or bad newssource) paired with the fact that you seem to be one of their writers. That sort of thing gives me hiccups.
Actually, any torpedo tube launched missile (for example the Klubs) are fairly sedate at starup.
The reticence of the Øbongo regime to be honest or candid with the American people helped fuel the “contrail” controversy. It took forever before the aircraft was identified - something that should have been done immediately.
Have you considered writing or contacting WND and requesting you post there what you posted here? I think WND deserves the chance to rectify the situation.
You guys make such basic mistakes.
In this case you're forgetting that the Earth is round and that the Sun is very far away.
BTW, here is the pic that by itself shoots down the missile theory:
It was taken by a webcam several miles north of where the video was shot. It clearly shows the contrail heading inland from the west. In the video the plane appears to be traveling upward, but that's because its ground track is pointed almost directly towards the viewer. In this pic we get to see the flight in semi profile, which makes the true direction obvious.
A typical aircraft contrail.
What the critics haven't explained that we see a single plume and only one solid and large contrail from the source. Plane contrails dissipate faster. How many engines did UPS jet flight 902 have?
I never trusted CBS to begin with. Unfortunately, I can no longer trust World Net Daily as a news source.
In this material world, that which is in shade is either facing away from the source of light, or has something between it and the source of light. You know this to be true yourself if you are a normally-sighted, normally cognizant human being.
Yardstick's kindergarten attempt at bullsh*tting an optical illusion has just "proven" that an underlit contrail would appear to us as if it was lit from the top, not from below, and that the side facing us would be in shade ... Right? LOOK AT THE DRAWING. The sun hits the TOP of the contrail; the bottom, the only part we can see, must then be in shade. The thing isn't opaque and glowing all 'round like a fluourescent tube -- or shall we expect another few hundred photo "proofs" from Yardstick and others married to the "airplane" fantasy that indeed, it is illuminated very much like a flourescent tube, thank you very much, because .. .I know!! I got it! I got it! It's water vapor, that's it!!! Yeah, that's the ticket! That's why it (though not regular clouds) look as if it's bottom was lit when the sun was hitting it's top!
THEN he shows a photo of a contrail that is bottomlit, and appears the opposite of what his ridiculous drawing indicates. LOOK AT IT AND THINK!!! It's just absurd, and it's why most of the time I ignore all of these ridiculous "proofs." They are hamster wheels -- going no place. I take one look and again am aghast at how blatantly absurd the "proofs" are, and I am sad that so many people shrug and figure the "science" looks impressive and I don't want to be considered a paranoid kook ... so, I'll go with "airplane" for $500, Alex.
Folks reading Yardtick and the rest of these contrail "provers" posts need to stand up to "we are men of science!" intimidation with brain-draining, energy-sapping crap pretend "proofs." YOU have all the expert you need IN YOUR BRAIN. Look at the video, think in 3-D. The audacity of Yardstick with that lame-brained illustration is absolutely breathtaking. Just stunning.
Good GRIEF!!!!!!!!!
That video is the entire story. Everything else is just carnival side show. And the side show is run simply to counter the video evidence of a rocket launch.
That contrail image is not the contrail in the video. The contrail in the video angled to the right. Your contrail image angles to the left just as flight UPS902 or AWE808 would have to angle to fly over Fallbrook when viewed from the Long Beach area. And as someone else pointed out, note the uniform lighting of even that contrail.
Guess you plane people are just gonna have to live with the fact that you will not convince everyone. Got Physics ?
That water would just tear them apart at top speed. Then of course, they are surrounded with steam. Lots of density to plow through without getting wrecked. So we now know it was filmed under powered flight for 2-3 minutes. Not the 10 minutes the planers proclaimed. Heck, 10 minutes would have been too slow for a plane at 35,000 feet and 600 mph. That is 60 miles in 10 minutes.
Sorry. Math mistake. That would be 100 miles traveled at 600 mph for 10 minutes. That is why we all need editors. Took me a while to realize the need for one, though.
Then your not to list should include The New York Times, The Washington Post, The LA Times, St. Petersburg Times, MSNBC, cBS, NBC, ABC, CNN....
Mysterious missile launch baffles even eyewitnesses
I'm surprised that you didn't post that as a thread.
The “not to [trust] list” that is.
The thing isn't opaque and glowing all 'round like a fluourescent tube
No, but as you mentioned, it's made of water vapor that disperses and reflects light, even light coming from behind, which allows it to appear almost internally lit when seen against a darker sky.
Check out the edges of the cloud in this pic. Its edges are bright because they're scattering the sunlight that's coming from behind:
Now look at these stills from the video. Doesn't the contrail look like it could be similarly backlit? It even shares the characteristic of being darker in the middle where it's thickest:
The faint shadow it casts in the sky is also consistent with it being lit from behind.
But I don't think the lighting argument is decisive because the light is coming in at such a grazing angle that it's hard to judge exactly what it's doing.
To me the Cargo Law webcam pic is the clincher.
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