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To: betty boop
It is not a preposterous idea betty boop, that the Pope is talking about the creation of man from pre-living material via evolution. It was an idiotic assertion of your own that he was somehow talking about “cosmic evolution”, the big bang or some such. That is absolutely untrue, and you should know better.

Your own faith, that the Pope just wouldn't say such a thing, seems impervious to evidence to the contrary!

So acceptance of the evolution of man from pre living material is now just acceptance of “micro” evolution?

I mean a 2% genetic change between us and a chimpanzee is a pretty “micro” change, and I am sure there are greater genetic differences among animals you deem to be the same “kind” - but really.

Are you actually going with your assertion that when the Pope talks of the creation of man from pre living material, he is speaking of “micro” evolution?

Really?

162 posted on 12/17/2010 7:51:28 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream; Alamo-Girl; r9etb; xzins; Quix
Are you actually going with your assertion that when the Pope talks of the creation of man from pre living material, he is speaking of “micro” evolution?

The Pope isn't talking about "the creation of man from pre-living material."

Rather, see Genesis 2:7:

And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground [your "pre-living material?], and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and [then] man became a living soul. [I.e., entered the world as a living being.]

Looks like a "special creation" to me, using whatever materials the LORD God saw fit to use for this purpose. I.e., the "dust of the ground," purely stupid, non-living, inert matter....

Also consider the other "special creations" the LORD God made:

And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew....

IOW, the LORD God created everything there is, before anything was materialized as a living creature. [See Genesis 1.] This means that creatures do not arise "from matter," but from the will and mind of God. After they were so created, then they were "embodied" as material, natural forms.

My point about macro- vs. micro-evolution is that there is evidence for the latter, based on observation and experiment, but not for the former. The former is merely an "intuitive" story that cannot, in principle, be tested by means of the scientific method (.e., direct observation, replicable experiments, leading to verification and prediction).

163 posted on 12/17/2010 5:01:19 PM PST by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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