Posted on 12/07/2010 11:31:03 AM PST by presidio9
You mistake conciliation (”malice towards none”) for concession:
“On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago, all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it—all sought to avert it. While the inaugeral [sic] address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissole [sic] the Union, and divide effects, by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war; but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive; and the other would accept war rather than let it perish. And the war came.
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Fondly do we hope—fervently do we pray—that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bond-man’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord, are true and righteous altogether”
With malice toward none; with charity for all; with firmness in the right, as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation’s wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow, and his orphan—to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations.”
- Abe Lincoln
Hmmm, it must be a War on Drugs thread.
You can tell those threads because they call Republicans tyrants ...
“Never post anything that lacks the potential for a 60-car pileup.”
lol. Nice way of putting it!
"Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the states...”
"Article XIII.”
"Every State shall abide by the determination of the United States in Congress assembled, on all questions which by this confederation are submitted to them. And the Articles of this Confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the Union shall be perpetual; nor shall any alteration at any time hereafter be made in any of them; unless such alteration be agreed to in a Congress of the United States, and be afterwards confirmed by the legislatures of every State.”
US flagged slave ships were registered to mostly Yankee concerns, and outlawed by 1807(could have the year wrong). Again, nothing to do with the subject.
If you keep comparing me and my ancestors to Japs and nazi's of the wwii era, we're gonna have a problem. A person implying that are the scum of the earth, anyone that does that deserves my utmost scorn and invective.
Although the Articles of Confederation were never formally dissolved, to argue that they are still in force is preposterous. To hold them as binding is equally so. There is no language in the admission of any State of which I am aware that holds it as such. They were only concluded among 13 States anyway.
See post %84.
“Lincoln: father of Big Federal Governmen”
Lunacy - for 50 years after Lincoln, the Federal Govt was about 3% of our GDP and had almost none of the powers in the Big Govt that was created by Democrats Wilson, FDR, and LBJ.
“the midwife for 100 years of segregation”
So the Klan, southern segregationists, and the racist powers in the old confederacy couldn’t bring about 100 years of segregation on their own? They needed help? Never mind that this was done 10-30 years after Lincoln died, and after reconstruction ended, BY the southerners.
Apparently Lincoln is the author of all bad things in the USA since 1865 because well ... he SAVED the union dammit and he’s to blame!
“It didn’t take long for many of the freed slaves to realize that they were far from free and that this newfound freedom had signifiantly diminished their economic lot in life.”
Really. How many willingly went back to slavery? Would YOU sign up to be a slave.
” A freedom won through reason and the voluntary decision of the Southern populace would have given these poor folks a chance for real integration into society. “
Too bad the South chose war instead of that path then, isn’t it? Funny how those who oppress others don’t seem to notice or mind the oppression that much.
Correction, the Articles of Confederation did specifically state the term “perpetual union”.
See post %84.
See Post #86.
It depends on if you think the Constitution is still law. Article 6 of the Constitution states: “All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.”
The question then is, is the Constitution law or not?
None of the admissions of the States after the "Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution" apply.
It is until a state(s) legislature and duly elected governor say otherwise, and the people of that state(s) vote in the affirmation. Then it's AMF to FedGov™.
It's very foggy out. I hear the crunch of metal now....92 and growing.
None of the admissions of the States after the "Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution" apply to agreements concluded thereafter.
The South shot first.
Hmm, looks like I’m late to the party. We’ll see how this works out.
“Others saw Section 3 as a way to punish the confederate leadership in one stroke while avoiding endless trials and perhaps a renewal of conflict as a result of those trials. For most then, there was no strong desire for endless revenge. They wanted it all behind them.”
Yup. A million men lost their lives in the bloodiest conflict in American history. Don’t underestimate the strong desire to put something that traumatic behind you.
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