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1 posted on 12/07/2010 7:43:58 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Makes too much sense. Thus it cannot be allowed to happen.


2 posted on 12/07/2010 7:51:24 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Ok I have a question...Why if we originally built KC-135s and KC-10s why can’t we just use those molds and make some more. I mean if the United States Taxpayer paid for these airplanes once why can’t we do it again...I mean we do own these molds...don’t we?


3 posted on 12/07/2010 8:02:19 AM PST by US Navy Vet
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I am all for a split buy if they double the procurement budget. The KC-X contract calls for 15 aircraft per year, way too slow.

15 KC-767s and 15 KC-45s would be a nice pace, and easily funded with unspent TARP money.


4 posted on 12/07/2010 8:15:14 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Only a small difference in load, not enough to split the fleet, however there is a huge difference in quality and reliability. The Boeing product is far superior to Airbus.

The Airbus would be sitting on the ramp broke, waiting for parts. It’s an over engineered, overpriced piece of junk, a throw away a/c that breaks up into tiny little pieces.

The Boeing… a 767 is proven, with much higher reliability and lower maintenance cost. Just make sure to hang Pratts on it.

For the military there is but one intelligent choice… Boeing 767 / Pratts


6 posted on 12/07/2010 8:20:32 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Why buy new tankers when you can spend the billions on extended unemployment benefits instead? It just doesn’t make any sense! /s/


10 posted on 12/07/2010 8:32:39 AM PST by Gritty (Liberals never, ever drop a heinous idea; they just change the name - Ann Coulter)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

More jobs with an Airbus ?

More jobs for military mechanics. The dispatch rate is horrible, will sit broken out in the cold, and won’t fit in our hangars. It’s a piece of crap.

The Boeing 767 is a perfect choice.


13 posted on 12/07/2010 8:51:06 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Goofy, only our government would by a car too big to fit in the garage.


15 posted on 12/07/2010 8:56:18 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Goofy, only our government would by a car too big to fit in the garage.


16 posted on 12/07/2010 8:56:49 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Goofy, only our government would buy a car too big to fit in the garage.


17 posted on 12/07/2010 8:57:22 AM PST by Java4Jay
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’ve been saying all along that the final solution would be to split the contract between the two companies, thus guaranteeing that the Air Force will get fewer aircraft for more money that had it been a single-source deal.


22 posted on 12/07/2010 9:14:30 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Pragmatic redundancy in the military world is never a bad thing; indeed, it is one of the guiding principles of modern warfare.

Oh, I don't know about that. This mechanic says that two parts inventories and supply-chains, two sets of training manuals, two sets of procedures, service bulletins, etc. isn't exactly an unalloyed blessing for military logistics. Then there are start-up costs to disburse over smaller production runs and twice the cost of contract administration and quality control.

The real world is full of trade-offs, always.

28 posted on 12/07/2010 9:55:12 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Frankly, I don’t give a damn if “Chicago” or something or someone else in the United States will benefit from either deal.

I only care about what would seem best, in the long run FOR THE UNITED STATES AIR FORCE and FOR THE UNITED STATES.

I am not concerned about giving too much priority to playing politics with Europeans over our military contracts when they have spent so little on their own military for over 50 years. If they don’t have a robust military equipment industry, without our contracts, that’s their fault.

However, if keeping a semblance of that trans-Atlantic comity alive is really needed, I would make the deal split as is the current inventory - 80/20 - with 80% going to the cheaper to maintain, somewhat smaller capacity Boeing and 20% to the larger capacity Airbus.


31 posted on 12/07/2010 10:37:08 AM PST by Wuli
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To: sukhoi-30mki; spetznaz
Really, really, really, bad idea.

While this would seems to makes sense on the face of it, it would significantly raise the cost to both the companies and the government.

Bid prices include a significant fixed cost that is amortized over the entire production run. If you buy fewer, the unit price goes up. If you buy more, the unit price goes down.

If the government split the contract, it would have to pay the fixed costs for both companies, driving up the total cost.

This is a non-starter as ideas go.

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45 posted on 12/08/2010 6:25:47 AM PST by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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