Exactly. But Leyvas does not agree that Warren’s later photos represent the object that created the contrail. He thinks those photos only display the drifting contrail, after the object that created the contrail disappeared. And that is the basis of his argument that the object only remained in view for 2 to 3 minutes.
Leyvas has no time stamps, and he is going by memory in claiming the object remained in view only 2-3 minutes, and he rejects these later views in Warren’s photos as representing the object that created the contrail.
So the only piece of evidence behind the assertion that the object was only in view 2 to 3 minutes is questionable at best. Its not even evidence, its based on Leyvas’ subjective memory of the length of time it remained in view, and it does not take into consideration that most objective viewers consider those later photos as clearly displaying the object (still) creating the contrail.
That is interesting since those photos are supposed to represent some passage of time yet the object remains lined up with the contrail in each. Of course we don't have the separate time stamps for the four separate photos used in that montage.
...and it does not take into consideration that most objective viewers consider those later photos as clearly displaying the object (still) creating the contrail.
It is my understanding that that is how they are representing that multiple image. If so the 80 mph wind is blowing the airplane south faster than it is moving forward to the east even though flight data from three aviation sources say it was going 500 mph.
We have also shown identity in position and appearance between the object that "detached from" the Levyas contrail and the object Warrren filmed -- with a significant temporal and positional overlap. (No matter how long Levyas thinks it lasted.)
Mick West has conclusively shown that both the object filmed by Leyvas and the object photographed by Warren match the FlightAware profile of UPS902 -- exactly.
We have also conclusively shown that perspective effects as the contrail was viewed from north and south -- and from fixed and mobile viewpoints as it drifted southward -- match an eastbound object -- and bear zero resemblance to a westbound object.
The only remaining venue for discussion is the dynamic changes in light color, intensity, direction, and dispersion across the sky as time progressed. I have already done considerable (yet unpublished) work with color gradients of the sunset/twilight colors. And kanawa has alrady begun work with animations of sunset -- using Google Earth -- as have I with Stellarium.
We have the makings of a good technical paper session or even a Scientific American--or better -- class publication or documentary.video.
All the FACTS are on the side that says this phenomenon was no more (or less) than the contrail produced by the MD-11 of UPS Flight 902 from Hawaii to Ontario, CA.