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To: TXnMA
I extended your plotted line of site from the Leyvas video to the approximate location of the UPS902 flight path. Not surprisingly, it intersects almost exactly the lat/long of where Flightaware says UPS902 was at 5:15.

I'll go through the steps I took below and I invite anyone to follow the same steps and identify anything I've done that isn't accurate based on known data...

1. We know exactly when the Cargo Law photo was taken, and where the camera is located and the direction it was pointed when it took the photo.

2. We know exactly where UPS902 at each minute based on the data from Flightaware. Flightaware UPS902

3. It is possible to plot the lat/long of UPS902 at when the Cargo Law camera took its photo.

4. Plotting the line of sight from the Cargo Law camera at the time of the Cargo Law contrail photo was taken crosses the flightpath of UPS902 at almost exactly the lat/long of the aircraft for that time as recorded on Flightaware.See this post

Therefore, it is safe and logical to conclude that the Cargo Law camera took a photo of the UPS902 contrail.

Now, lets take a look at the Leyvas video, and specifically a still from the video that shows Long Beach harbor.

We don't know the exact time the video was taken, but we do know it was sometime around 5:15. Plotting a line of site from the helicopter toward the contrail in his video provides the following (The red line of site is from the Leyvas helicopter and the yellow is from the Cargo Law camera).

Not surprisingly, the line of site from the Cargo Law camera toward UPS902, and the line of site from the Leyvas video intersect at very nearly the same point. Therefore, it is safe and logical to conclude that the contrail in the Leyvas video is the same contrail photographed by the Cargo Law camera. And since we already know the Cargo Law camera photographed UPS902, we now also know Leyvas did too.

290 posted on 12/07/2010 8:33:40 PM PST by Rokke (www.therightreasons.net)
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To: Rokke

Change “line of site” at several points in the previous post to “line of sight”. Not sure why that was stuck in my brain.


291 posted on 12/07/2010 8:35:24 PM PST by Rokke (www.therightreasons.net)
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To: Rokke
BRAVO!! Triangulation -- I knew you would figure out a way do it with the materials and tools at hand!

My new tagline honors you!

Is there any direction the "missle [sic] folks" can turn now to prop up their mania?


Y'know, even I have kept this issue technical and apolitical (that's "without politics" for you folks in Rio BØzo...) Aside from a couple of swipes at the Kenyan ursurper (generally in line with mainline FReeperdom) I don't recall saying anything political on a Contrail thread for a full month.

That's not because I was staying away from conservative politics -- it's because aircraft, contrails, bearings, distances, photos, etc -- simply aren't political. And anyone who has tried to make this non-event political is not in line with solid conservatism.

300 posted on 12/07/2010 9:17:21 PM PST by TXnMA (Ain't science wonderful?!?)
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