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The problem for liberals is they have been denied a cynosure. Some had looked to the British Fabian Socialists and some to Karl Marx, but since the late 1940s liberals became coy about their intellectual mentors.

There ideology is NEVER ENOUGH.....ask a liberal when they are finished spending money and they won't commit....

1 posted on 12/04/2010 1:41:37 AM PST by The Raven
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To: The Raven
But it was a bit dishonest. There never was a missile gap with the Soviet Union, as he claimed, or any other cause for histrionics. On the domestic side, the oratory set in motion President Lyndon Johnson's catastrophic War on Poverty.

As history will show, the lies from the liberal JFK/LBJ start have grown bigger and bigger.

To prove that is true, it's necessary to first show that LBJ killed Kennedy in a coup that was necessary because LBJ was headed for jail for his many crimes. Once you understand that is true, it's relatively simple to see how the liberals have maneuvered into the position they are in today. Any lie can be told to Americans as they can no longer think independently. Convince the press and you control the country.

2 posted on 12/04/2010 2:20:37 AM PST by politicianslie (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
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To: The Raven
Sorry, but this article is complete horseshit. Liberalism, far from being dead, is the law of the land. Not only is it statutory law, but it is constantly reinforced by judicial and bureaucratic decisions. Also, call it a historical accident if you like, but just two years ago the most liberal president in history was elected by a wide margin. I don't need to hear that he was a cipher and nobody knew what he stood for. Bull. We all knew what he stood for. Liberalism is on the march right now as we hear that they want to force homosexuality on our military. I can give more examples but I would be preaching to the choir. Emmett Tyrrell is smoking crack if he thinks that liberalism is dead. Even the Democrat Party, which took such a beating, is far from dead.

You'd have to be a credulous moron to believe this kind of pablum.

3 posted on 12/04/2010 2:45:29 AM PST by Batrachian (Barack Obama was elected because people thought they where voting on American Idol)
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True liberalism, which Jefferson championed, died a long time ago. Liberalism used to be about liberty (thus the name ) and freedom. The word got twisted to mean the exact opposite. It is the ideology of sacrificing of personal freedom for collectivism and big government control.

Libertarians are the "true liberals". Their ideas of personal responsibility in regards to "consensual crimes" (let adults be adults without a nanny state) and foreign policy isolationism (cut the rest of the world loose of the U.S. tit) are too complex for the mass majority to understand and much less embrace.

Liberalism is dead. Your choice is National Socialism, that the Democrats champion or State Capitalism that the Republicans champion. Both roads lead to government control.
7 posted on 12/04/2010 3:52:51 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: The Raven

Liberals, once again, believed that conservatism was dead and that Americans want bigger goverment. It was the alternative media and the Tea Party that has temporarily stopped liberals in two short years.

Remember, FDR had over a decade to impose socialism because he had a compliant media on his side while conservatives were not united (no internet, no alternative media).


10 posted on 12/04/2010 4:44:14 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: The Raven

“As a political movement liberalism is dead. They do not have the numbers. They do not have the policies. They have 23 seats in the Senate to defend in 2012 (against the Republicans’ 10) and Republican control of state houses and legislatures will give them even more seats in the future. Liberalism R.I.P.”

Never underestimate the Fabian treachery of elitists and globalists within the GOP.

Like my tag line says . . .

Nevertheless, a very good article.


12 posted on 12/04/2010 6:19:08 AM PST by Psalm 144 (The GOP nomenklatura - Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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Ignorance of America's Constitutional principles, combined with lack of understanding of the distinction between the promises of liberalism (socialism in disguise) and the real-world consequences of socialism in practice, brought us to where we are today.

Perhaps an examination of this late-nineteenth century assessment of socialism might inform today's citizens.

From the Liberty Fund Library is "A Plea for Liberty: An Argument Against Socialism and Socialistic Legislation," edited by Thomas Mackay (1849 - 1912), Chapter 1, excerpted final paragraphs from Edward Stanley Robertson's essay:

"I have suggested that the scheme of Socialism is wholly incomplete unless it includes a power of restraining the increase of population, which power is so unwelcome to Englishmen that the very mention of it seems to require an apology. I have showed that in France, where restraints on multiplication have been adopted into the popular code of morals, there is discontent on the one hand at the slow rate of increase, while on the other, there is still a 'proletariat,' and Socialism is still a power in politics.
I.44
"I have put the question, how Socialism would treat the residuum of the working class and of all classes—the class, not specially vicious, nor even necessarily idle, but below the average in power of will and in steadiness of purpose. I have intimated that such persons, if they belong to the upper or middle classes, are kept straight by the fear of falling out of class, and in the working class by positive fear of want. But since Socialism purposes to eliminate the fear of want, and since under Socialism the hierarchy of classes will either not exist at all or be wholly transformed, there remains for such persons no motive at all except physical coercion. Are we to imprison or flog all the 'ne'er-do-wells'?
I.45
"I began this paper by pointing out that there are inequalities and anomalies in the material world, some of which, like the obliquity of the ecliptic and the consequent inequality of the day's length, cannot be redressed at all. Others, like the caprices of sunshine and rainfall in different climates, can be mitigated, but must on the whole be endured. I am very far from asserting that the inequalities and anomalies of human society are strictly parallel with those of material nature. I fully admit that we are under an obligation to control nature so far as we can. But I think I have shown that the Socialist scheme cannot be relied upon to control nature, because it refuses to obey her. Socialism attempts to vanquish nature by a front attack. Individualism, on the contrary, is the recognition, in social politics, that nature has a beneficent as well as a malignant side. The struggle for life provides for the various wants of the human race, in somewhat the same way as the climatic struggle of the elements provides for vegetable and animal life—imperfectly, that is, and in a manner strongly marked by inequalities and anomalies. By taking advantage of prevalent tendencies, it is possible to mitigate these anomalies and inequalities, but all experience shows that it is impossible to do away with them. All history, moreover, is the record of the triumph of Individualism over something which was virtually Socialism or Collectivism, though not called by that name. In early days, and even at this day under archaic civilisations, the note of social life is the absence of freedom. But under every progressive civilisation, freedom has made decisive strides—broadened down, as the poet says, from precedent to precedent. And it has been rightly and naturally so.
I.46
"Freedom is the most valuable of all human possessions, next after life itself. It is more valuable, in a manner, than even health. No human agency can secure health; but good laws, justly administered, can and do secure freedom. Freedom, indeed, is almost the only thing that law can secure. Law cannot secure equality, nor can it secure prosperity. In the direction of equality, all that law can do is to secure fair play, which is equality of rights but is not equality of conditions. In the direction of prosperity, all that law can do is to keep the road open. That is the Quintessence of Individualism, and it may fairly challenge comparison with that Quintessence of Socialism we have been discussing. Socialism, disguise it how we may, is the negation of Freedom. That it is so, and that it is also a scheme not capable of producing even material comfort in exchange for the abnegations of Freedom, I think the foregoing considerations amply prove."
EDWARD STANLEY ROBERTSON

17 posted on 12/04/2010 8:59:31 AM PST by loveliberty2
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