[econjack]

Agreed. Plus, very few commercial jets (i.e., none) start leaving a contrail at the earth's surface and rise at such an angle as shown in the video. To me, this just points out the arrogance of the gov’t in thinking we're so dumb as to buy into the fluff they're trying to sell us.

[ltc8k6]

The contrail is nowhere near the Earth’s surface at any time, though. It’s just an optical illusion.

I imagine people are getting tired of explaining.

[IYAS9YAS]

Econjack, I live in the Albuquerque area under a vastly used flying lane for aircraft headed east and west. We get contrails that appear to come up straight from the ground due to the fact they are in the sky from beyond the horizon line we can see. We also get lots of wind in this area over the Rockies.

I've seen pencil thin contrails that stay that way all across the sky, I've seen contrails that spread out rapidly into both thick and thin trails that could easily be as wide as that in the video. I even observed one aircraft within the last two weeks that put off a very similar corkscrew pattern coming west from over the Sandia Mountains (to the east of Albquerque). Wind to the east was causing the contrail to do this.

The zoom of the camera lense compresses things. To top it off, the video has been proven to be anything but raw. If, as they say, this cameraman shot ten whole minutes of raw video, where is it? It would certainly answer the questions. As it is, the nearly two minutes of video don't show a launch, don't show significant rise in altitude (for a rocket that large, with that kind of "plume", it should have been long gone in two minutes, from ground to disappeared, but the fact is, it hardly moves in that two minutes).

There have been no eye-witnesses come forward to corroborate anything. How is it nobody on Catalina Island saw or heard anything? Nobody on the multitude of boats in the area? Nobody else on land? Where are the other witnesses?

[coon2000]

The Earth is not flat.

[SeeSac]

the gov’t in thinking we're so dumb as to buy into the fluff they're trying to sell us

Anyone here paying the linked 'expert' the $99 per year for the true facts?

[Ramius]

The contrail doesn’t start at the surface, it is coming in over the horizon.