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To: Mr. Silverback; GraceG
GraceG’s comments are actually quite insightful if you spent more time thinking about them. Why do you think God is even called the Father? Jesus prayed to God the Father. Are you arguing that God is not man's (nor your) spiritual Father because Adam already did not need God even before the fall? You argue that Adam was already a worker in the Garden and somehow that in itself made him complete. However, many children work on farms (I did), but they are not complete in their intellectual and emotional growth. So the ability to work has nothing to to do with the intellectual and emotional ability to achieve independence from ones parent or from the Father.
68 posted on 12/01/2010 9:56:42 AM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood; GraceG
GraceG’s comments are actually quite insightful if you spent more time thinking about them.

Her interpretation contradicts what is in God's word. Now, I reject the premise that I haven't given this enough thought, but no amount of thought is going to make something that contradicts God into an insight about God.

Are you arguing that God is not man's (nor your) spiritual Father because Adam already did not need God even before the fall? You argue that Adam was already a worker in the Garden and somehow that in itself made him complete.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. Now we've moved from adding stuff to God's word to adding stuff to Silverback's word...I guess that's an improvement, since messing with God's word is a major sin and messing with my word is just annoying.

First, I never, ever said that Adam was complete or mentioned any spritual effect resulting from his work. Go back and read it, it isn't there.

Second, notice how the goalpost is moving here. The whole reason I replied to her about the work Adam and Eve had to do was because she said...

When Adam and Eve were in the garden they were wholy dependant on God like children are to their parents or welfare recipients are to the government.

She was clearly comparing them to people who either can't or won't work, and when I proceeded to take her post that way, she didn't correct me, but doubled down. But now, the idea that they weren't working is supposed to be gone from the conversation.

However, many children work on farms (I did), but they are not complete in their intellectual and emotional growth. So the ability to work has nothing to to do with the intellectual and emotional ability to achieve independence from ones parent or from the Father.

Let's say that a farmer convinced his 18 year old that it was time to stop working on the farm and leave to start his own family. Then the Dad writes a book where he says that his son was thrown off the farm for committing a grave sin which he then lied about, and therefore the son deserved to be cursed, endure horrible pain and eventually die for his crime? What would you call that Dad? One word: Liar.

God's word says in multiple places that Adam and Eve where booted from Eden for misconduct, not because of some graduation. To say that what He was really doing was handing them a packed suitcase and sending them off to their first job as a mercy because they'd "grown up" is to call God a liar.

Maybe you two should read Genesis 3 again and pay special attention to the words "Did God really say..." You're pushing heresy, and heresy always starts with those words.

91 posted on 12/01/2010 10:54:44 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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