Lilith, Baphomet, Illuminati Owls, Satan, aliester crowley -- all the same thing
Posted on 12/01/2010 8:25:32 AM PST by markomalley
Reminds me of a couple of little kids telling their parents, he hit me first, no I didn't he hit me first yada yada yada...
Is a belief that is held to be self-evident to an individual, rational?
Lilith, Baphomet, Illuminati Owls, Satan, aliester crowley -- all the same thing
The point was (I think) that Adam was cowardly for not saying NO to Eve, but blaming God also was a bit much. Enough to make any parent ticked off and say Get out. Fend for yourself...
I am saying this in a light hearted way, but it has some truth in it. I don't blame God for kicking them out, they deserved it...
I've said it before on this forum, and I'll say it again. One of the most infuriating things I've seen in my life is that picture of Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House, second in line of progression for the Presidency of the (formerly) MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, wearing a head scarf when she was visiting the Middle East. GGGGGGGRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!
Thank you both for pointing that out. I appreciate any and all efforts that help strengthen my faith.
In this case, “interesting”, means just that. It does not mean that I subscribe or believe in the comment, it just means that I found it interesting because it is a different take on the story of Adam and Eve, one that I had never heard before. “New” and “Original” does not necessarily mean “good” or “better”, it just means different. I happen to find “different”, to be “interesting”, at least when first seen, heard, or discovered.
I do however, appreciate the gentle guidance that God grants me, as he works through my spiritual Christian friend on this site. Thank you both again.
LOL! Yes, Adam should’ve been more involved in Eve’s daily walks!
I just noticed the reference to “night monster” a few days ago when reading my Bible, so I looked it up and found that a demon is one possibility but that a night bird was more likely, since references to demons are uncommon in the Old Testament. As it was in a list of various birds, I am inclined to agree; i.e., anyone seeing an owl swooping down on small prey might consider those long, sharp talons a monstrous thing indeed.
The Lilith story doesn’t even make sense biblically; it has all the markings of a myth from someone more interested in story-telling than in history. Apparently all of the major religions have some who aren’t content with studying their original writings but who want to jazz up their religion with fanciful tales and mercurial rules.
What a horrible creature is Lilith and certainly worthy of being the abortion industry’s mascot.
I don’t believe in the legend of Lilith, because the Bible would’ve mentioned her.
She is also supposed to be the snake in Eden that tempted Eve. However, the Bible makes it clear that it is Satan controlling the snake (the part about bruising his head seems to reinforce that).
“There is nothing in the Bible to indicate that God made Adam a wife before Eve. There is a Jewish tradition to this effect, with the first wife ending up as a demon that killed babies. That is not in the Bible, however.” ~ http://www.minuteswithmessiah.com/question/deleted.html
But no matter how you understand “Torah” the idea of
a wife before Eve does not occur at all. This idea is a rabbinic
tradition and is completely non-Biblical (and I would add, quite
anti-Biblical). ~ http://paracleteforum.org/archive/email/history/lilith/dialogue.html
Her interpretation contradicts what is in God's word. Now, I reject the premise that I haven't given this enough thought, but no amount of thought is going to make something that contradicts God into an insight about God.
Are you arguing that God is not man's (nor your) spiritual Father because Adam already did not need God even before the fall? You argue that Adam was already a worker in the Garden and somehow that in itself made him complete.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Now we've moved from adding stuff to God's word to adding stuff to Silverback's word...I guess that's an improvement, since messing with God's word is a major sin and messing with my word is just annoying.
First, I never, ever said that Adam was complete or mentioned any spritual effect resulting from his work. Go back and read it, it isn't there.
Second, notice how the goalpost is moving here. The whole reason I replied to her about the work Adam and Eve had to do was because she said...
When Adam and Eve were in the garden they were wholy dependant on God like children are to their parents or welfare recipients are to the government.
She was clearly comparing them to people who either can't or won't work, and when I proceeded to take her post that way, she didn't correct me, but doubled down. But now, the idea that they weren't working is supposed to be gone from the conversation.
However, many children work on farms (I did), but they are not complete in their intellectual and emotional growth. So the ability to work has nothing to to do with the intellectual and emotional ability to achieve independence from ones parent or from the Father.
Let's say that a farmer convinced his 18 year old that it was time to stop working on the farm and leave to start his own family. Then the Dad writes a book where he says that his son was thrown off the farm for committing a grave sin which he then lied about, and therefore the son deserved to be cursed, endure horrible pain and eventually die for his crime? What would you call that Dad? One word: Liar.
God's word says in multiple places that Adam and Eve where booted from Eden for misconduct, not because of some graduation. To say that what He was really doing was handing them a packed suitcase and sending them off to their first job as a mercy because they'd "grown up" is to call God a liar.
Maybe you two should read Genesis 3 again and pay special attention to the words "Did God really say..." You're pushing heresy, and heresy always starts with those words.
Indeed, my FRiend.
God is holy. He doesn't create Leftists. The garbage that they choose to believe makes a person a Leftist. The garbage is taught to them in school and in almost all media.
It started with Great-Grandpa Adam and Great-Grandma Eve.
They sinned and it's in people to sin. Jesus paid for everyone’s sin, you have to accept Him to be forgiven of the sins that you have done.
The biggest lie the Left and Satan have is to make you an atheist. If you don't believe in God or Satan, then Satan can control you much more easily. Note how rapidly America began to decline once prayer was taken out of the schools.
Humans have free will whether or not to accept Jesus as the Son of God and follow Him, or believe the lies of the Left.
I've wondered too.
Would there have just been Adam and no other people in the future after Eve died?
Would God have said, “OK, since you resisted, I'm going to forgive Eve?”
Would women be prone to sin, and not men?
Opens up a whole can of serpents.
Adam knew exactly what would happen if he said no. Which is why he at the apple.
There would be no human race if Adam said no. He also loved Eve despite her sin.
And Eve also tried to wriggle out of responsibility by blaming the snake. Everyone tried to blame others. (And Adam didn’t just blame Eve, he tried to blame God too - “The woman you gave me...”).
Rationalization is the second greatest human drive. And that is why Adam ate the apple, because there’s one drive ahead of rationalization.
Yes, but you're talking about a fictional character. If Disney makes a short where Mater the Two Truck helps the snake find the tree, will you muse about whether God knew what Mater was doing?
Whoa!, was that a shot?
No, I wasn't sure which "he" Trisham was talking about, and the only males I had posted to in this thread were you and soothesayer.
God didn’t kick them out as punishment, God gave punishment in the form of the curses He pronounced.
He kicked them out of Eden because the Tree of Life was still in the Garden, and if they ate from that tree, they would never die. Which would mean they and their offspirng would be kept eternally in their current fallen state of sinfulness. And God’s redepmtive plan and promise to them could not be fulfilled.
And don’t think that is funny, they already ate from one tree they weren’t supposed to.
That is why they were kicked out. That is why angels were set at the entrances to Eden to prevent anyone from coming back in to that area - to prevent any of them becoming immortal sinful beings not able to be redeemed later.
No. Not in the universe he made, which has rules.
To quote Pastor James McDonald, God can't make a square circle or a married bachelor.
You’re welcome, of course.
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