Posted on 11/30/2010 11:42:20 PM PST by rxsid
Is the private a hero?
So then, what you’re saying is that in my scenario if some Sergent disobeyed the Company commander’s command [pursuant to my order to defend AZ’s border] on the grounds that he believed me to be unqualified then that soldier would be wrong?
What if the reason he did so is because he knew me from my old unit?
Oh, wait, that doesn’t matter because he would be disobeying the company commander!
...what strange world do you live in where a chain, broken in the middle, may still be said to be carrying a load?
Let's come back to reality, shall we? Why are the orders of Colonel Roberts, Lieutenant Colonel Judd, and Colonel McHugh illegal? Or unconstitutional?
When Nebraska played Texas last year I thought the clock running out meant we had won the game. I accepted that the win was legitimate. But the amount of time on the clock was being contested. Until that issue was resolved it didn’t matter whether the clock said zero, didn’t matter if I had accepted our win.
As long as there are unresolved cases regarding whether Obama was ever even lawfully declared to be the electoral winner, it doesn’t matter what is accepted in the minds of people. What matters is that the legal issue is still unresolved.
Exactly. He was the only one who could make that decision. To say that he is “irrelevant” would be utterly laughable if it wasn’t a serious claim in a serious judgment having serious consequences for us all.
We’re living in an alternate universe.
you know.........., I was just driving home here in Upstate NY and I heard Monica Crowley on the radio talking with Dinesh Disouza about his book and I could not believe what heard them talking about in regards to Obama. They were saying, “...Well you know his father was a Kenyen and his mother was American and his father was an African socialist and Yadda, Yadda, Yadda”. No mention that he is not a NBC. I think her sight is monicamemo.com. I am going to write after this.
It really is a simple test. Lakin’s order to deploy to the war zone would not exist if it was not so ordered from the White House, and as this order would not exist, which was carried down by the rest of Lakin’s chain-of-command. The judge cutting Obama out of Lakin’s chain-of-command is on the face of it absurd and laughable.
If someone refuses to obey a LAWFUL order, questioning any of the things you mentioned won’t change a thing. That person could question it - and should get an answer. The answer won’t be what he wanted if it was truly a lawful order, in which case the CINC would simply prove his eligibility and the order would be known to be lawful.
But that has nothing to do with Lakin or this discussion, because Lakin was not given lawful orders. His brigade commanders acted outside their authority by sending him on a combat mission without being authorized to do so by the only person given authority to use force in the war on terrorism - “the President”, who can only “act as President” if he has “qualified” for the Presidency by Jan 20th. We already know Obama failed to qualify by then because he doesn’t even have a legally valid US birth certificate.
Walter Reed may not be in the fanciest of neighborhoods, but I don't think that orders to report to his brigade commander's office equates to being sent on a combat mission.
OK.........Please show me when, where and how I have protected and/or helped fubo.....you cannot and will not find it...what you will find is that i refused to support a coward and traitor...yes, I will say it again, coward and traitor... I served my time in the armed forces, and i know this type of person well...how many years did you serve ???? or are you just a no action person with an opinion????
On that point, I entirely agree. The birthers are indeed living in an alternate universe. The futility of this case has been apparent since the first day with the reasons why pointed out quite clearly. The case has proceeded exactly as predicted and will so end. The judge has already ruled that Obama has nothing to do with the case and therefore LTC Lakin will be found guilty and will stand convicted of the charges against him.
Obama's eligibility status will be resolved politically, not by a military court. Those who thought differently were and are delusional.
Thanks for the kind words. I’ve never been told I should go to DU before; I imagine that’s sort of like telling somebody to go to hell... lol.
Seems like this poster doesn’t grasp the whole point of what is being argued: Lakin disobeyed an order but it was not a LAWFUL order, according to the expressed definitions in Article 92’s elements. I don’t know how to make the argument any clearer; wish I did.
Or this person grasps it and wants to change the subject by calling me and other people trolls. I guess if I’m a “troll” in his estimation I’m in good company; always happy to be with people who look for genuine facts and then analyze them with integrity. There are a lot of people I respect even though I don’t initially (or sometimes ever) agree with them; their steel sharpens mine, and that’s what I want. I will weigh into the mix any genuine facts somebody presents.
Lind threw into the mix the role of Congress with the military. Well, if she really wants to get onto that subject, she should look at Congress’ role of declaring war, which in this case took the form of authorizing the use of force - delegating that authority to “the President” alone, for him to use sole discretion. The use of force ABSOLUTELY depends on a valid POTUS deciding it, according to Lind’s own argument about the role of Congress.
You always wanna make sure that you spell the name correctly on a bullet. lol
If they end up punishing Lakin they will regret it every day for the rest of their lives. Lakin will be the US moral equivalent of the Iranian woman who was shot.
Did Congress authorize Col Roberts or Lt Col Judd to “use appropriate force” in Afghanistan in SJ Res 23 (I hope I got that cite right)?
If not, then by what authority do they issue orders for Lakin to deploy for combat operations in Afghanistan?
Unfortunately for you and, more importantly, for LTC Lakin you are wrong. The orders were lawful and the Court Martial on 14 Dec will make that point clear. Your flawed interpretation of the UCMJ, the Constitution, and most other legal and military points won't count for much in the final analysis.
Because Congress did not authorize them to use force. They only authorized “the President”. If they are not implementing the decision of a valid, Constitutional President to use force, then they are acting beyond their authority.
And we have no valid, Constitutional president who can “use force” because the guy we’ve got in there now has never lawfully been declared the winner of the electoral vote and even if he had, he did not “qualify” by Jan 20, 2009 so the Constitution requires Joe Biden to “act as President”.
Since Joe Biden did not decide to use force, Lakin’s brigade commanders acted outside their authority. Which, according to the elements of Article 92, means that the orders are not lawful.
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