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the False Prophet may ultimately work for Satan, but seldom do they see themselves as such.

I agree that they work for Satan and perhaps some do not realize it.

Muhammad had some sort of mental disturbance

Again, I agree...though possession and mental illness are not mutually exclusive.

Later he added elements that benefited himself.

Yes. But he also built a "religion" that was more than just a flash in the pan and that would be difficult without some kind of divine or anti-divine inspiration or direction.

For example, Islam is a kind of anti-Christianity. Where Christianity is meek, Islam is bold. Where Christianity is forgiving, Islam seeks vengeance. Where Christianity spreads (or at least is meant to be spread) by changing hearts, Islam is spread the the sword. Where Christianity requires devotion only by love (i.e. choice), Islam demands submission (despite the "non-compulsion" clause of 2:256).

I don't think for a moment that Mohammed understood Christianity or how reality would evolve over time well enough to design such a "religion" without supernatural help (of the fallen kind).

We must apparently agree to disagree, but it is rather clear to me that Islam has a god-force that drives it...and that force is the perverse mirror image of the force behind Judeo/Christianity.

Again, I feel that it is important to any Muslims who may be lurking that I remind them they are not to blame for the evils of Islam. God loves them and Jesus went to the Cross for them just as he did for you and me. It is difficult to be born to a "religion" and way of life only to find out you are on the wrong path.

That said, even those of us born in a Christian community still had to come to grips with our sinful natures and that we were still on the wrong path until we gave our lives to God (the Real God).

Gotta run for the rest of the day...thx for the discussion!

SODS "Muhammad had some sort of mental disturbance" Again, I agree...though possession and mental illness are not mutually exclusive. I only said perhaps, and you have no evidence he was demon possessed. "Later he added elements that benefited himself." Yes. But he also built a "religion" that was more than just a flash in the pan and that would be difficult without some kind of divine or anti-divine inspiration or direction. The Enlightenment did the same thing, so did Joseph Smith. I don’t think an appeal to Demonic Forces is needed to explain this. For example, Islam is a kind of anti-Christianity. Where Christianity is meek, Islam is bold. Where Christianity is forgiving, Islam seeks vengeance. Where Christianity spreads (or at least is meant to be spread) by changing hearts, Islam is spread the the sword. Where Christianity requires devotion only by love (i.e. choice), Islam demands submission (despite the "non-compulsion" clause of 2:256). Actually the above is more evidence of Caricature than reality. Whole Islam is strikingly different from Christianity in many ways, the Koran itself also venerates Meekness, and even the New Testament shows Jesus being Bold at times. Also, your contrast between Christianity requiring devotion by Love as opposed to Islam which requires Submission is base don a false perception. Christianity is base don Submission as well, and it’s the same Submission one finds in Islam. I know you are trying to conjure images of people being forced into Islam and compelled to worship its evil god Allah and all but, the Submission actual Muslims speak of it simply the Submission to Gods will. Its no different in Christianity, in which we are told to Submit to the Will of God and submit to Jesus as our King and Lord of our Salvation. In that way, Islam is certainly not an Anti-Christianity since they teach basically the same thing, except that Islam would not place Jesus in the role of God. It seems to me that you are simply repeating the standard Neo-Con Information about Islam, not looking anything up about it from its own Primary Sources, and presenting a slanted and inaccurate view. I don't think for a moment that Mohammed understood Christianity or how reality would evolve over time well enough to design such a "religion" without supernatural help (of the fallen kind). But you also haven’t studied Islam at all and know nothing about it, so on what do you base this assertion? We must apparently agree to disagree, but it is rather clear to me that Islam has a god-force that drives it...and that force is the perverse mirror image of the force behind Judeo/Christianity. Bit, your statement that Islam is a sort of Anti-Christianity is base don a false analysis that is easy to overturn. What does this suggest about your conclusion? Your just trying to continue the image of Islam as a purely evil force, to conform to a predetermined Prejudice, and allowing that to cloud your reasoning. Again, I feel that it is important to any Muslims who may be lurking that I remind them they are not to blame for the evils of Islam. God loves them and Jesus went to the Cross for them just as he did for you and me. It is difficult to be born to a "religion" and way of life only to find out you are on the wrong path. They can say the same of you. However, why should a Muslim convert to Christianity after your insincere claims to love them? Why would lying about Islam and what it actually is, all based upon a personal emotional need to vindicate a predetermined prejudice, really win them over? That’s one of the biggest reasons I really don’t like these Anti-Islamic claims, because they are lies and just make Christians look foolish, indicated, and hostile to the average Muslim. They do not improve anything. That said, even those of us born in a Christian community still had to come to grips with our sinful natures and that we were still on the wrong path until we gave our lives to God (the Real God). Islam also follows the real God, for it’s the same Go as Christians and Jesus worship. They, like the Jews, are simply mistaken in some things concerning who and what God is. That said, not all Christians even accept Sinful Nature. I grew up in the Churches of Christ, for example. (No no the United Churches of Christ, just the Churches of Christ.) The Churches of Christ do not teach that we have a Sinful Nature, though we all do sin.