since i would guess most of the people buying these things will live in the city, where will they plug in???
Posted on 11/28/2010 5:18:31 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
Edited on 11/28/2010 6:07:20 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
Getting your home ready to charge an electric car will either require little time or money ---- or a couple of months and thousands of dollars. It depends on what kind of electric car you buy, the wiring in your home and how quickly you want to juice your ride.
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So will there be power, with this new, HUGE demand (assuming that people really do start driving these POS’s)?
Yep - DEFINITELY. Any time you turn on a light switch there will be power. There will be no blackouts, and there will be no increased capacity to speak of, despite growing population and now these POS’s.
How does that miracle get accomplished? It’s called “Smart Meters”. They will price power so high, during high demand that people will simply stop using it. Us Texans will soon have a choice, 85F in our homes during the summer, or $2,000 dollar power bills. So, yes, if you can spare $2,000 a month, you can keep running your AC like nothing ever happened. If not, prepare to sweat, and sweat big.
“OK, so electrics are hybrids — only 45% coal-powered (LOL).”
Yes, which makes them three times as efficient in burning fossil fuels as gasoline powered cars. I don’t see that as a problem.
Wow ! I feel sorry for you. Your neighborhood has those pesky transformers that cannot be replaced with higher capacity models ?! That sucks.
If only you had an electric company that had some reason, like extra revenue from more electricity sold, to replace those transformers. If only there was something called “profit motive” or “free markets” that would allow a company to invest in new equipment when it sees an opportunity for additional revenues. /s
Depends on your electric rate per KWH and how much charging you need to do in 8 hours. If that 8 hours is to let you drive 40 miles per day, and your electric rate is 10 cents per kwh, then the daily cost would be about a dollar.
66kwhs would not get you 100 miles. It would get you 250 miles. So your cost would be under $0.0265 per mile.
The Tesla can cover 250 miles on a charge. With the right charger and grid improvements, it could be recharged in an hour and drive another 250 miles.
Of course, a battery pack that large is expensive and a waste of money for somebody that regularly drives less than 40 miles per day and sleeps hours per day when the car can be easily recharged from a regular outlet.
From this data, you decide that the government is trying to force people into staying is cities or use mass transit for long distances ? I think you are reading too much into things. The tinfoil in your hat may be getting a little thin. Time to add another layer.
I understand what regenerative braking is...I just used it to counter the argument that there are no moving parts on an electric car. I suspect there are indeed some moving parts involved with switching from freewheel coasting to having the wheels engage the generator when the brakes are applied. Just one example.
I’ll buy a pogo stick before I ever buy a hybrid or an electric car.
“brake pads, rotors,”
Actually, if braking loads are primarily regenerative, the rotors and pads last much longer. They likely would not need to be replaced in under 400,000 miles.
Most people now have programmable thermostats and the AC shuts down after midnight or so. Likewise, a charger can be programmed to come on in the middle of the night rather than immediately when plugged in, so there is no time both appliances are on at once. At your 5000 watt rate, it would only need to charge for two hours to replenish the charge to drive 40 miles.
since i would guess most of the people buying these things will live in the city, where will they plug in???
Total insanity....
While I'm certain that regenerative braking could reduce loading on the regular braking system, I seriously doubt that it would become the primary braking source. Heck, I can bring my Honda down from 80 to about 5 mph purely by downshifting and relying on engine compression to slow the vehicle down, but that approach isn't practical for the most part. 400,000 is a stretch - 80,000 maybe. If you drive in a manner that takes the greatest advantage of the regenerative system.
At work or Walgreens for some.
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We shall see. Here in Texas during the summer you run air conditioners all night...and they only slow down around midnight (i.e., cycle less). I’m not sure about the 2 hours either - the Leaf was 8 hours, the other cars were 4 hours (at 240 volts).
“3300 watts X 8 hours is 26400 watts , 26.4 KWH”
That much electricity would let you drive 100 miles. You’re going to do that every day ? A gasoline vehicle of similar size would require at least 4 gallons of gas every day, or $360/mo in gas. As I said, even at peak rates of 31 cents per kwh (socal Edison Tier 5), that’s only $251 so it is still cheaper than gasoline would be to drive the same distance.
i guess i was thinking more about at night... parking garages or with the odd even parking you can't always run a line to the car if it's on the other side of the street and such
Oh, and as a plus, power is practically unlimited and available instantly. Releasing 3000 lbs of pressure to a motor, the tires WILL move and it will "charge" back up in seconds, not hours. As the power is not needed, the motor will go to idle or even shut off. Max mileage will shut the engine down, but it may be more practical to idle to keep the air, power steering, ect running.
Premise is false, so no need to go further. Go visit China, India, and Russia. Nasty green stench cloud air. Public workers wear masks, and die at 40.
Nixon solved the US air quality and pollution problem 40 years ago. I've seen nothing but blue skies and zero smog in the US for decades.
"Solution" Electric cars - cheaper, less pollution.
Both statements preposterous. Requires countless more coal plants. Without even discussing impracticality of a 40 mile car with zero infrastructure....ask anyone in the car business. You can't sell these cars new - they depreciate 50% the day you leave the lot. (15-20K). Most dealers will refuse to take them in on trade, unless far below blue book value.
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