Posted on 11/28/2010 5:18:31 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
Edited on 11/28/2010 6:07:20 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
Getting your home ready to charge an electric car will either require little time or money ---- or a couple of months and thousands of dollars. It depends on what kind of electric car you buy, the wiring in your home and how quickly you want to juice your ride.
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If I were sold an electric car with “no moving parts that wear out” I’d be demanding my money back.
Because it would mean that there are no tires, no bearings, no motors, no transmissions, no axles, etc. All you could do is just sit there and wish you were someplace else.
“And of course there are the savings from not having to fill up with gas every couple of round trips”
Downside is very short trips, and charging before every trip.There’s that pesky question of air conditioning they don’t like to discuss also
You’re welcome.
Then the same thing could happen if they both turned on their dryer at the same time.
The charger only requires a 30A circuit. I don't know what the initial surge is but it can't be that high. I can't find the specs but I am guessing the FLA is about 20.
Now do the numbers on a diesel hybrid and you’ll see why I think all this electric vehicle stuff is pure mental masturbation. A diesel hybrid could get 80+ MPG. Make it a plug-in hybrid if people want to go the first 40 to 50 miles on nothing but the battery.
The payback intervals on these EV’s is going to be a very long time... especially if the utilities get to pass on carbon emission costs or “green” power rates to the consumer. Suddenly that $0.066/mile power cost could go up to $0.10 to $0.20/mile power cost....
Yes both cooling AND heating... and not to mention charging cell phones or power GPS units and radios and windshield wipers, window defrosters, lights, etc.
End result? Complete control over the population.
They control the electric grid, the healthcare, the public and mass transportation, food,..everything.
And the American people will go right along with it since it is “for their own good”.
Right after the 9/11 attacks, there was broadcast news footage (CBS?) of stranded motorists trying to get home. The story focused on two groups of people who had to travel from the East Coast to the West Coast--and both decided to do it by car. A woman from one group said something like "This is still a free and great country, when we can get in a car and go anywhere we want."
Hmm. If that means that the electricity going into the charging station is cheaper than the electricity going into the rest of the house, expect lots of people to be hacking into that charging station. It's kind of like splicing into the neighbor's cable to get free TV...
But it would be so much fun to be all smug about driving an electric car. I’d just not tell anyone how I charged it. :)
regen is just using the vehicle energy to turn the motor instead of vice versa.
it really only involves some electrical contactors switching
I doubt that will be much of a wear item
and it does take a lot of the energy out of the wheel brakes
I know on the hybrid transit buses the wheel brake life is 3 to 5 times longer.
yes I agree
you don’t see significant ev sales in Europe or Japan yet and their fuel cost is at least 2x USA
I’ll have to fire up my MIG welder after dark, LOL
How to prep your neighbors for your electric car (and the neighborhood transformer you’re going to blow out with your stupid electric car)...
I've been wondering for years why long-haul trucks haven't adopted that technology from the rail-road industry.
I don't have access to the numbers but I would think that a diesel-electric hybrid with regenerative brakes would be very cost effective.
But do you really want all the greenies to swoon when you drove by their houses? “oh here comes Keith in his Prius, I just think he is dreamy and hot”.
Maybe you would like that, try it and let us know how it works out. ;)
Yeah, I figured out that for the price differential, I could buy a brand new car like mine, drive it 15 years and nearly a quarter million miles before the gas powered car and fuel would catch up to the initial cost of the electric. That was without taking into consideration any of the cost for the electricity, which would up it even more.
Electric cars are not any better for the environment - probably actually worse in terms of resources used and chemicals dumped into the environment. They (electric cars) sure do not make economic sense in any way.
This was in Nevada, where no one bothered with a dryer. It is faster to hang your clothes on a line than use a dryer.
That’s why the co-op got away with it for so long.
As soon as people started actually *using* their 100 amp service from the pole for something other than lights, the pig was a goner. All the houses were using before the hot tubs were put in was power for lighting, radios, TV’s, etc. Stoves were on propane, the heat was wood pellets or propane.
On the same co-op, we had a house with a 200A service and a shop with 200A service on the same pig... and there were times with all-electric heat that we max’ed out a 25kVA pig, no problem. We had our very own 25kVA pig, and it failed once under our load in nine years.
With modern appliances, you have to take into account the possibility of the following:
- motor loads (freezer, reefer, A/C compressors, washing machines, dryers)
- heating elements (hot water heaters, stoves/ovens, dryers)
- large draw appliances (microwaves, hair driers)
The problem for EV’s won’t be the initial surge. It will be the constant elevated background load that they put on the pig that will use up most of the reserve to service short-term peak loads. eg, you have two EV’s drawing (eg) 15 amps. 240 * 15 = 3600 VA. That’s 7,200 VA, or about 50% of the full load capacity of a 15kVA pig. Everything else would need to fit into the other 50%. The longer duration of the car charging load (3 to 4 hours, which is longer than a dryer cycle) makes the conflict a higher probability.
Rent out half so I can pay the electric bill?
You betcha!
Power it with ethanol (food) that consumes more energy than it produces.
There are even some FReepers who buy into this bizarro, upside down logic.
Because excess weight costs money to a truck. They’re limited in their overall (gross) weight to 80,000lbs without an over-weight permit, which has to be obtained in every state they’re going to transit for an overweight load. Pretty soon, you’re giving up all your profits. The tractor weight is a significant portion of the 80K gross weight. Typically, most trucks have about 25 to 27K lbs tied up in the tractor and trailer (empty) weight. So they’re getting only 55 to 60+k lbs of actual paying weight on board before they’re having to either risk fines for overweight loads, or apply for permits.
Just to get rid of idling costs, truckers are pitching a fit about the 400lbs to install an APU.
A train is limited by length first, weight a very distant second. They can keep piling on the tons in the loco’s and it amounts to such a pitiful minority of the overall weight of the train that they could make the engines out of lead and still turn a profit.
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