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Extra Engine For F-35 Makes No Sense
Aviation Week and Space Technology ^ | 11/26/2010 | Gordon R. England

Posted on 11/27/2010 9:19:14 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

The continuing debate regarding the merits of an extra engine for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter surrounds a prime example of the waste that Defense Secretary Robert Gates is trying to eliminate. Support for an extra engine is another case of parochial interests trying to trump efficiency and military readiness.

The F-35 second engine was not included in the Defense Department plan during or before my tenure as deputy secretary. Every military service vice chief testified with me to Congress that the second engine was too costly and not needed—or wanted. Regardless, each year funding was still added by Congress, generally in response to constituent pressure and usually in negotiations between House and Senate committees. That’s the way the system often works, but don’t now try to justify a second engine based on cost savings through competition, because that is not the case. Rather, another engine will be costly and result in numerous operational and support inefficiencies.

The competition for the F-35 is over. The F135 engine, built by Pratt & Whitney, was selected by both Boeing and Lockheed Martin during the prime aircraft contractor competition. They both chose the more powerful variant of the proven engine used in the F-22. Design submissions for what has become known now as the alternate engine, or the F136, were evaluated as part of that process but were not selected by either prime contractor. Yet, Congress has continued to fund the F136. By funding an extra engine that the military doesn’t want, the Defense Department will ultimately have less money to spend on purchasing F-35s or other high-priority items it needs.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f135; f136; f35; jsf; turbofan; usaf

1 posted on 11/27/2010 9:19:16 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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Ping


2 posted on 11/27/2010 9:21:14 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

I think it makes sense if it saves the 35


3 posted on 11/27/2010 9:28:54 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
I'm tired of giving a sh*t about Britain and what they want with regards to anything and especially with regards to the F35. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of the whole F35 program and would have no problem if it was crapped so long as we started building non-exportable F22s again afterward.
4 posted on 11/27/2010 9:34:31 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: RC one

The British are partners and the signed a Memorandum of Understanding that they would buy the F-35. A Memorandum of Understanding is a binding contract.


5 posted on 11/27/2010 9:37:03 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Not too hard to understand

“Yet, Congress has continued to fund the F136. By funding an extra engine that the military doesn’t want”

equals

PORK for some CONgresscritters disctirct.


6 posted on 11/27/2010 9:51:04 PM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
Machinists Vow “Hell of a Fight” With Pratt & Whitney

What if the unions don't get the deal they want and then go on strike. How will that affect the F-35 production?

7 posted on 11/27/2010 9:54:29 PM PST by smokingfrog ( ><}}}}}}(0>)
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To: ASOC

Pratt & Whitney make the F136, too? Or a different mfg’er? Article didn’t state.


8 posted on 11/27/2010 9:55:24 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: smokingfrog

It will probably be a death blow to the F-35.


9 posted on 11/27/2010 9:55:39 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

The extra engine makes no sense? Hell, the F-35 makes no sense.


10 posted on 11/27/2010 9:58:49 PM PST by DesScorp
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To: REDWOOD99

GE - GE brings PORK to life....

The P&W is the std for the F-22, so would use common parts for the same mfg.

But then, GE gets cut out of the PORK.

Want to know where to start saving $$$ - kill this kind of BS

(NO harsh on you friend)


11 posted on 11/27/2010 10:11:55 PM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
"Extra Engine For F-35 Makes No Sense"

Unless you lose one. Redundancy is everything in a robust fighter/bomber.
12 posted on 11/27/2010 10:13:09 PM PST by JoSixChip (A nation of sheep will be led by pigs!)
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To: ASOC

Thanks for the explanation.


13 posted on 11/27/2010 10:18:03 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: JoSixChip

They aren’t going to make the Lightning a two engine fighter. They want to buy some Lightnings with GE and some with PW engines.


14 posted on 11/27/2010 10:33:55 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

GE spent a lot of money on Obama.

They expect to be paid back


15 posted on 11/27/2010 11:50:58 PM PST by hattend (The meaning of the 2010 election was rebuke, reject, and repeal. - Sarah Palin)
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