Posted on 11/27/2010 3:06:07 PM PST by T.L.Sink
Three more bills met Gov. Ed Rendell's veto pen, including one that would have expanded a person's self-defense rights to use deadly force in certain circumstances outside their home or car. The self-defense bill would have expanded Pennsylvania's so-called "Castle Doctrine" and offered immunity against civil lawsuits in certain cases.
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Well stated, T.L.
It's hard to recognize that place anymore after the rats screwed it up.
“Fast Eddie is out in January, with Republican Tom Corbett assuming the governor’s office after winning the election. The legislature will pass this again rather quickly and Corbett will sign it. This was Rendell’s last gasp!”
Why would a Republican sign that crap.
“He’s only in office until January!”
Typical Rat making the biggest mess possible.
The Castle Doctrine legislation is crap?
“he Castle Doctrine legislation is crap?”
Hell no ! the way I read it was Rendell was going to veto it and the new Republican Govoner was going to sign on to it.
We Pennsylvanians live in a paradise with wonderful neighbors but we’re bookended by three blighted urban areas. I lived in a lot of places but here is where I want to live.
I voted for Corbett and I support him for his stand on Castle Doctrine.
But, we’re OK without it. Read this, the Pennsylvania Constitution, Article I, Section 21: Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.
We haven’t had a self-defense shooting wrongful prosecution in over 20 years, maybe longer.
Nothing is to be accounted hostile force but where it leaves not the remedy of such an appeal [to the law], and it is such force alone that puts him that uses it into a state of war, and makes it lawful to resist him.
A man with a sword in his hand demands my purse on the highway, when perhaps I have not 12 pennies in my pocket.
This man I may lawfully kill.
To another I deliver 100 pounds to hold only whilst I alight, which he refuses to restore to me when I am got up again, but draws his sword to defend the possession of it by force. I endeavour to retake it.
The mischief this man does me is a hundred, or possibly a thousand times more than the other perhaps intended me (whom I killed before he really did me any); and yet I might lawfully kill the one and cannot so much as hurt the other lawfully.
The reason whereof is plain to see; because the one using force which threatened my life, I could not have time to appeal to the law to secure it, and when it was gone it was too late to appeal.
The law could not restore life to my dead carcass.
The loss was irreparable; which to prevent, the law of Nature gave me a right to destroy him who had put himself into a state of war with me and threatened my destruction.
But in the other case, my life not being in danger, I might Nature gave me a right to destroy him who had put himself into a state of war with me and threatened my destruction.
But in the other case, my life not being in danger, I might have the benefit of appealing to the law, and have reparation for my 100 pounds in that way.
John Locke, "An Essay Concerning the True Original Extent and End of Civil Government", Chapter 18 "Of Tyranny", #207, originally published in England, 1690.
If the Lawmakers WANT to over-ride the veto, they can. It would require a two-thirds majority vote by each chamber to reconvene before the current Legislature expires at midnight Tuesday. They have the votes to do it if they WANT to do it. Whether or not they want to is key.
Fast Eddie is done in January 2011 - cannot be soon enough for us here in PA.
We Pennsylvanians live in a paradise with wonderful neighbors but we’re bookended by three blighted urban areas. I lived in a lot of places but here is where I want to live.I voted for Corbett and I support him for his stand on Castle Doctrine.
But, we’re OK without it. Read this, the Pennsylvania Constitution, Article I, Section 21: Section 21.
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.We haven’t had a self-defense shooting wrongful prosecution in over 20 years, maybe longer.68 posted on November 27, 2010 9:38:51 PM EST by namvolunteer
If the incoming Republican governor and legislative majorities elect to vote in the Castle Doctrine next year, Fast Eddie's veto is probably moot then.Only mischief it might work is if a relevant case were to arise before then.
Rendell has already been voted out.
Thanks for the quote from Locke who was, like our Founding Fathers, a product of the Enlightenmemt or Age of Reason (Note his reference to the law of Nature) and he clearly distinguishes when lethal force is justified (and when not) by law. Would that some of our present political leaders today had his clarity of thought.
One down...
Hopefully before the deadline y’all can get this veto 2/3’rded out???
48 hours??? I heard Tuesday is the deadline...
I can’t stand fast Eddie and it’s a pleasure to see that pig go. However, one of the actual reasons he is vetoing the bill is sound. It’s because it is unconstitutional per the Pa constitution. The Castle Doctrine upgrade was put on a bill to strengthen Megans Law. It is unconstitutional because when you put amendments on a bill, it has to have some connection with the original bill. A rape law bill has only tangential connection with the Castle Doctrine and would have been challenged in court and a good possibility of being overturned.
This bill and the companion clean Castle Doctrine bills were passed by the house and Senate overwhemingly. In fact a veto proof vote. If the house was back in session before it expired, his veto would be overridden.
I’d rather have it this way. We have a Conservative as governor who is on record as supporting this. We have a Republican controlled Senate and House. There will be a clean bill put through and passed within the first half of 2011 is my guess. It will breeze through. And no possible court challenges to muck up the works...
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