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To: Mmogamer
Travesty?

I thought that Travesty was more polite than "Bastardization."

What would you call a book that was literally plagarized from the Douay Rheims Bible and is missing seven Books and parts of two others?

16 posted on 11/27/2010 7:29:26 AM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga

A corrupt text.


21 posted on 11/27/2010 7:37:44 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: verga

Which manuscript is more true, an older inaccurate parchment or the next oldest manuscript accurately corresponding to many more parallel parchments?


38 posted on 11/27/2010 8:14:38 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: verga
***What would you call a book that was literally plagarized from the Douay Rheims Bible and is missing seven Books and parts of two others?***

The translators say in their preface that they had not seen all of the Catholic bible. Besides, anyone who has read Bible history knows that the KJV was based on Tyndale's GREEK tests from Eurasmus and not the LATIN based Douai Rhemes.

From the Translators to the Reader 1611 KJV

Now to the latter we answer; that we do not deny, nay we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. As the King's speech, which he uttereth in Parliament, being translated into French, Dutch, Italian, and Latin, is still the King's speech, though it be not interpreted by every Translator with the like grace, nor peradventure so fitly for phrase, nor so expressly for sense, everywhere.

As for the “missing “ books, the original KJV had them in it. Many considered them irrelivant and they were removed about the time the Americans started printing bibles.

Here is a list of the translators and you can see there was a committee to translate the Apocrypha.

KING JAMES VERSION TRANSLATORS

I. The First Westminister Company—translated the historical books, beginning with Genesis and ending with the Second Book of Kings.

Dr. Lancelot Andrews
Dr. John Overall
Dr. Hadrian Saravia
Dr. Richard Clarke, Dr. John Laifield, Dr. Robert Tighe, Francis Burleigh, Geoffry King, Richard Thompson
Dr. William Bedwell

II. The Cambridge Company—translated Chronicles to the end of the Song of Songs.

Edward Lively, Dr. John Richardson, Dr. Lawrence Chaderton
Francis Dillingham, Dr. Roger Andrews, Thomas Harrison, Dr. Robert Spaulding, Dr. Andrew Bing

III. The Oxford Company—translated beginning of Isaiah to the end of the Old Testament.

Dr. John Harding, Dr. John Reynolds
Dr. Thomas Holland, Dr. Richard Kilby
Dr. Miles Smith, Dr. Richard Brett, Daniel Fairclough

IV. The Second Oxford Company—translated the four Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, and the Revelation of St. John the Divine.

Dr. Thomas Ravis, Dr. George Abbot
Dr. Richard Eedes, Dr. Giles Tomson, Sir Henry Savile
Dr. John Peryn, Dr. Ralph Ravens, Dr. John Harmar

V. The Fifth Company of Translators at Westminster—translated all of the Epistles of the New Testament

Dr. William Barlow, Dr. John Spencer, Dr. Roger Fenton, Dr. Ralph Hutchinson, William Dakins, Michael Rabbet, [Thomas(?)] Sanderson

VI. The Sixth Company of Translators at Cambridge translated the apocryphal books.

Dr. John Duport, Dr. William Brainthwaite, Dr. Jeremiah Radcliffe
Dr. Samuel Ward
Dr. Andrew Downes, John Bois
Dr. John Ward, Dr. John Aglionby, Dr. Leonard Hutten
Dr. Thomas Bilson, Dr. Richard Bancroft
The King James translators did not consider Apocrypha scripture—

39 posted on 11/27/2010 8:14:43 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: verga
What would you call a book that was literally plagarized from the Douay Rheims Bible and is missing seven Books and parts of two others?

I still can't find a version of the Bible that contains Maccabees 1 and 2, Enoch and all the other books that should be in it but aren't, AND is not dumbed down into some kind of Valley Speak.

Joking aside, the KJ Bible isn't hard to read, at all, if you're English and can cope with regional accents. Nor, for that matter, is the Wycliffe Bible - if you can read Chaucer you can read Wycliffe.

There'll be a Gideon Bible in my hotel tomorrow, and Good News Bibles are easy to get hold of.

I think this story's being overplayed. America has dozens of different versions of the Bible in common use but there's only about three versions in mainstream circulation in the UK. You can get hold of more obscure ones if you want, or regional translations, but there's a bit of a "pub quiz" element to knowing the differences between the NKJV and the AKJV. By that I mean it's more likely to come up in a pub quiz than anywhere else.

Bible development should definitely be covered in the curriculum because of its historical importance, but then again, I also think the Wycliffe version in particular should be covered alongside the King James and Douay-Rheims versions, since it predates them both and is therefore - arguably - of greater significance as a historical marker.

45 posted on 11/27/2010 8:45:29 AM PST by MalPearce
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To: verga
LOL! Those books are not part of the Canon and don't belong in it.

And the KJB didn't 'copy' the Douay-Rheim's, it rejected the corrupt manuscripts that translation was based on.

129 posted on 11/27/2010 7:44:07 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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