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Bobby Schindler: Society Ignores Terri Schiavo But Health Care Rationing Not Going Away
Life News ^ | 11/23/10 | Bobby Schindler

Posted on 11/23/2010 4:05:58 PM PST by wagglebee

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If people like President Bush truly believe the lives of vulnerable people are worthy of protection, they need to come back to the table and defend those lives with vigor and resolve— now, tomorrow and for years to come.

I lost all respect for the Bush family when they abandoned Terri.

1 posted on 11/23/2010 4:06:05 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 11/23/2010 4:06:56 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 11/23/2010 4:08:37 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 11/23/2010 4:09:54 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I lost all respect for the Bush family when they abandoned Terri.

Most of us did, myself included.

5 posted on 11/23/2010 4:12:02 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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Two separate issues are being conflated in this article.

1. Withholding food and water at the end of life.
2. Government rationing of health care.

I see nothing to be gained in doing this except riling people up.


6 posted on 11/23/2010 4:15:31 PM PST by DManA
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I'm not surprised at your reaction, because I'm familiar with your posting history. But maybe you didn't get the memo.
7 posted on 11/23/2010 4:26:58 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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Obama’s DeathCare = Rationed Healthcare = Death Panels = American Holocaust

IMO, Never Again is happening before our very eyes.


8 posted on 11/23/2010 4:28:31 PM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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Two separate issues are being conflated in this article.

1. Withholding food and water at the end of life.
2. Government rationing of health care.

I see nothing to be gained in doing this except riling people up.

How is government-ordered withholding of food and water, which America has in abundance, any different from government-ordered withholding of medical care, which America also has in abundance?

9 posted on 11/23/2010 4:43:49 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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In Jeb’s case he sent a couple of lawmen down to her but they lost thier nerve being opposed by other law jurisdictions. It might have been different of Jeb had gone with them and taken a few pals.


10 posted on 11/23/2010 4:51:08 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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They’re not two separate issues. Withholding food and water is a way to kill people off to ration the health care.

Either way, it’s killing people. The only difference is whether the murders can make themselves come off as looking like the heroes or villains.

By withholding food and water and convincing everyone it’s a merciful death and quality of life, yada, yada, yada,, they can kill off the *useless eaters*. It’s a stealth way of rationing healthcare without being so blatantly obvious about it.

They’re appealing to a different reason like they’re all concerned about what the poor person is going through, and then they don’t have to pick and choose who to *ration* (read: kill off) and catch flack for death panels and rationed healthcare.


11 posted on 11/23/2010 4:54:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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How is government-ordered withholding of food and water, which America has in abundance, any different from government-ordered withholding of medical care, which America also has in abundance?

For that matter, since when did it become the government's business to decide who gets to eat and who gets medical care?

DManA, this is none of the government's business. They don't own us. It's not their food and medical care to ration.

yet......

And even if they claim it is by passing legislation, that doesn't really make it so.

12 posted on 11/23/2010 4:59:18 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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There are a few cases in the past 20 years that caused me to toy with the idea of militia action. None of them came as close to prompting real acitivity than the Schiavo case.

Of course if a few of us showed up to arrest the cops and give water and care to Terri then violence could erupt. If 20 dead are lying around the Lefties would have had a field day saying, “look at those who KILL for their pro-life position”.

So we did nothing. We were passive. But perhaps the worst case scenario of a bloody shoot-out would not be as bad as sitting here and knowing we live in a country that enforces withholding water from the thirsty. A country that insures the disabled die of thirst when family members are begging for the opportunity to give care.

13 posted on 11/23/2010 5:04:40 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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“...withholding food and water and convincing everyone it’s a merciful death and quality of life, yada, yada, yada,, they can kill off the *useless eaters*. It’s a stealth way of rationing healthcare without being so blatantly obvious about it.”

The above passage is the strongest “economy-of-words” argument that we have on the issue. Great!


14 posted on 11/23/2010 5:09:51 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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Thank you. Feel free to use any of it any time you wish.

It’s all about deceit, even to themselves.

If they can convince themselves that they’re being merciful, they don’t have to deal with the guilt of killing someone, at least for a while in this life.


15 posted on 11/23/2010 5:13:59 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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Apparently you just don't know what the hell you are talking about, so I forgive you.

“1. Withholding food and water at the end of life.”

If you were talking about Terri, she was not at the end of her life untill the food & water were withheld, resulting in her MURDER. The government at all levels let Terri down.

“2. Government rationing of health care.”

With Obamacare death panels, you will be murdered by the withholding / denial of care, be it medicine, operations, and yes food & water. If you are too old or too young you just aren't worth wasting limited health care dollars on.

These two things are almost exactly he same.

16 posted on 11/23/2010 5:15:05 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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While Terri was being murdered we were told that dehydration produces "euphoria."

Yet at the same time we were told that Terri had "no brain function." How does a person with "no brain function" experience "euphoria"?

Additionally, Terri was given massive doses of morphine? Why does a person experiencing "euphoria" need morphine? Then again why does a person with "no brain function" need morphine?

17 posted on 11/23/2010 5:19:04 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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These two things are almost exactly he same.

Actually, they ARE exactly the same.

The ONLY medical care that Terri needed were basic antibiotics for occasional infections (which her "husband" wouldn't allow her to have) and OTC medicine for menstrual cramps (which her "husband" also wouldn't allow her to have).

If she had not been murdered, Terri's life expectancy was approximately thirty more years and possibly quite longer with proper rehabilitation.

18 posted on 11/23/2010 5:23:04 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Oh, well....um... you see,....maybe it was,..er, ... just in case.....


19 posted on 11/23/2010 5:23:24 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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“...Terri was given massive doses of morphine? Why does a person experiencing “euphoria” need morphine? Then again why does a person with “no brain function” need morphine?’

I wonder if those doctors, nurses, and med-techs who administered this “end-of-life care” ever ask themselves such questions.


20 posted on 11/23/2010 5:25:33 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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