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"Blatant lie and "disinformation" posing as "truth." This guy wants me to respond and compare SIX photos, none of which come from the original Leyvas video as seen HERE ......... or at this CBS NEWS story."

It doesn't take you long to reveal how weak your analytical skills are and how poorly you are able to absorb information that doesn't fit into your own very narrowly (and in this case inaccurately) defined view of reality. Throwing out terms like "Blatant lie" and "disinformation" would seem a lot less hysterical if you could back them up. But have you ever even bothered visiting the website of the television station that took what you believe is the only acceptable source of data for the contrail event off the LA coast? Here is a link to their website where they have posted stills they captured from their video...http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/gallery/2010/11/09/mystery-missile-launch-off-california/#photo-1. And here's the photo...

I'll bet you've never even seen the rest of the photos they captured from their video. You've been assuming all along that the portions of the video they pasted together on their news broadcast was all they had. For someone so convinced of their theory, that is incredibly closed minded and weak. Below are a few other stills, from their website, from their video. You aren't going to like them, because they make it clear that the pieces of the video clip they broadcast do not accurately represent the entire event.

This still from the video was from a portion when the camera wasn't zoomed in. It gives perspective of the actual size of the contrail. Looks a lot different doesn't it? Amazing what changing the zoom level of a camera will do.

This still from their video is taken later. The aircraft is no longer leaving a contrail because it has begun its descent into Ontario. You can see it in the picture. Are you going to claim it is actually a missile body? If so, how big do you suppose it is and where did it land. If you can see it at altitude, it must be enormous. Kind of hard to miss it hitting the Earth somewhere

So there you have it. Video stills from the only source of information you will accept regarding the contrail, taken from the website of the broadcast company that took the video. Ironic that you are the person claiming people are engaged in sophisticated disinformation efforts regarding this event. At least on FR, the greatest source of disinformation regarding this incident is you.

At least you're consistent. You're quite right, the "video capture" was not captured from the videos linked in my post, but it WAS taken from still shots in your linked CBS page of 13 -- count them, 13 -- still shots from the video. Odd that so many still shots from the video are MISSING from that gallery, such as the one with what looks to be a Chinook helicopter hovering. MISSING from that gallery are still shots of what you claim is the reflection of the setting sun on the underside of the plane that look for all the world just like the burn of a missile. But nevermind THAT, right, Rokke? Right, NAH? Those things would be a little too difficult to foist off as optical illusion in still shots, so you just pretend that their absence in the still shot gallery isn't pretty telling.

That's where you're consistent, as you and the airplane folks fail to come out and openly challenge Gil Leyvas, who HAD TO HAVE KNOWN from the instant he started that camera rolling that he was perpetrating fraud, if what YOU perceive in the still-shots is accurate. Why aren't you calling for Gil Leyvas' head? Why isn't the guy fired, out of here, hounded out, for premeditated lying? Because, AGAIN, there is zilch, zero, nada way that at any point he could have been confused.

So you stick to STILL SHOTS, by very difinition more misleading than the video with regard to comparing condensation trails with missile plumes. Nevermind that there ARE NO CAPTIONS with those photos to ID the time or location or event. And in spite of your loudest shouts and claims, a number of those still shots prove conclusively that the plume was vertical and headed northwest ... the sun proves it. I know, you pretend otherwise and hope that if you say it long enough, it will stop being a lie. But even YOU, Rokke, cannot move the sun, although folks CAN reverse the photos, as (interestingly!) it looks very much like someone did in the very FIRST still shot in the second CBS video I linked -- the still photo behind the anchor.

You cling to the still shots because they're the only way you can push your fraud, and even then, half the time they don't cooperate and the only way you can push your airline cover is by just ignoring it.

Rokke, you sure must live to hope that most people don't actually investigate your sources.

Folks, here's the link to what Rokke and others here cite as authentic "proof" to show you how your eyes and brain are lying to you. I clicked it and explored.

1. The ONE caption for 13 still photographs that Rokke and others purport are video captures form the Leyvas video, says: "What appeared to be a missile launching off the coast of California was captured on video by Sky 2's Derek Bell. Was it a missile? Who launched it? And why Californians want to know."

Derek Bell? Huh?

I thought Gil Leyvas captured the video that we've been talking about. In the caption I quoted above from the page linked, the word "video" is a link, one would think to the video, right???? So naturally, I clicked on it to see who Derek Bell is and to see Derek Bell's video. So obviously we're not talking an identification of video from Gil Leyvas.

Guess what? I clicked on it about five or six times, waited, explored ... and THE LINK IS TO AN AD FOR CITI. That is all it is. As Ralphie would say, "A crummy commercial?"

Okay, so that leaves us with 13 still photos on lossangeles.cbslocal.com. that Rokke and NAH say are from Leyvas's video on Nov. 8. Yet these still shots are very clearly NOT identified as being from the Leyvas video.

So was I correct, then, in saying that NONE of the six photos you wanted me to compare were from the Leyvas video.

Some of them were still shots from losangeles.cbslocal.com, and the single caption for 13 shots implies, though doesn't outright state, that they are from someone only identified as Derek Bell. There is not a single mention of Gil Leyvas.

Man. Talk about "it depends on what the definition of 'is' is."

You mislead with awesome calculation and semantics; obfuscation is your goal.